Gordon did you forget this 7 Oct 2015 post by one of your good buddies who met up with Liman at a NY casino. Who do you think said these glowing things: After our introductions, we were off to find one of the many bubble craps machines. I'm going to make this part very short, Liman started good, then started losing, but with smart betting made his money back and me on the other hand just lost, sure there were some winning hands, but I just couldn't get my money back that I was losing. It had nothing to do with my shooting, let's face it you don't shoot the dice. At times, I called my bets off at the right time and at times short rolls or PSO would kill me. You could call it bad timing or just bad luck what difference does it make. The truth was that I lost and Liman won. But I will tell you one thing and that he was a very skilled player, I wasn't on the machines. Liman had the one thing that most craps players doesn't have and that was discipline when he made his money he knew when to call it quits. The point I'm trying to make here is it doesn't matter that he was playing bubble craps he made money! Now here is a guy that is playing a random game and nobody can make like it had anything to do with their shooting, after all the machine just times out and the dice bounce around and in the end there are two top numbers that say that you either won lost or broke even on every roll of the dice. Isn't that what the game of craps is all about, when it comes right down to it, it has nothing to do with your shooting, don't kid yourselves. Stop pounding on your chest and trying to force everybody into believing the BS you believe in. Most players don't believe in fairy tails anyway. You know they say seeing is believing, so I went to NY and I saw what Liman was all about which was playing bubble craps that I never had a problem with to begin with. I've always known that you don't have to be a so-called DI to win money at the craps tables, you don't even have to play on a real table to win! The one thing you need to know is how to bet and when to take your money off the tables. Liman turned out to be a great guy, one of the first things he did was to present me with one of his custom made pens that he makes out of different types of wood, for the pen barrels, that I will treasure forever. What a beautiful pen! We had some great conversation when we were both playing the game. The nice thing about playing bubble craps is you can sit there and you don't have to put up with the dealers that know it all, or the boxmen or the suits. Hell, the other players on the game can't even bother you, you could be playing the don't and nobody knows that you are playing that way. Nobody has a bad attitude when you are playing. They are not blaming anybody on the bad rolls of the dice. There are don't players on the tables all of the time on real craps tables, what they are doing has nothing to do with you winning or losing. Get the don't player on the same table thing out of your head, they can't affect the outcome of the roll. The dice do not know that they just threw in a big red, only you do! Playing the bubble craps machine can be a real eye-opener for anybody that thinks they are a DI. Does your betting style hold up, mine didn't! By the way I have played bubble craps before and won, it's not my first time playing the game that way. Now I could say I didn't have on my magic shoes and that was the reason I lost, but that would be just fiction or BS! I don't need an excuse when I lose, I know all too well what happened, it's like playing chess or sailboat racing, I made the wrong move at the wrong time and at the same time I didn't want to use a big bankroll to be able to dig myself out of the hole that I dug. I rather lose a little then lose a lot playing something that I'm not used to playing. Yes, you have to have a feel for the game you are playing. Yesterday, I didn't have that feel for the game, my timing was off. I had smart bets that lost on the short rolls and PSO's, when I took down a bet it would hit on the next roll of the dice. There is one thing that I've learned over the years and that is when someone is trying to cut down others because they do not play the same way they do, that person is very insecure about what they are doing. There is nothing wrong with playing bubble craps, you can make money at it. I know one guy that beats the game all of the time for big money! Liman made money and I didn't, now I could have turned this into a seven-page novel, but will spare you my pain and suffering at the machine and end this on a high note. When Liman makes it out to Vegas I will show him how to play on real tables and will show him around the Vegas area, that is one of the nice things you can do when you meet some of the guys from these boards. Now my videos have only one purpose and that is to show that I was there, and I didn't rip them off the internet like the great fiction writer the madprofessor does. So they are not professionally shot and most of the time I'm hiding the camera when I'm inside a casino!