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Discussion in 'Advanced Craps' started by Funman1236407, Jan 27, 2018.

  1. James Hall, Feb 21, 2018

    James Hall

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    Boy are the negative nancys out in force today
    dragging their dicks in the dirt
    you would think they would learn
     
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  2. James Hall, Feb 21, 2018

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    Exactly right , every roll that you do not collect a bet increases , "HOUSE ADVANTAGE"
    Every roll moves you closer to the 7 out decreases your wins / you leave money on the table
     
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  3. James Hall, Feb 21, 2018

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    If you guys are finished bitching , I have to wrap this up , I have people coming over for a tune up
    they are going to Vegas in a day or two
    It's been fun , you guys are a HOOT & A HALF
    but remember the , "COME BET SUCKS" it pays even money
    We'll talk later
    I always enjoy these little chats
     
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  4. tabletop123, Feb 21, 2018

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    James never responded when asked: WHY does he play at crowded tables? The story about NOT always being able to find empty tables, or tables with 3 players or less is.....Very weak.

    Why does G, Rick, Demango, Mssthis1, SnakeEyes, & others that frequent Vegas...ALWAYS find tables that aren't crowded?

    Furthermore, what respectable Di/mechanical tosser plays on crowded tables?
    James says: "I don't want to wait for the dice to go around to 13 players before the dice come back to me.

    Play empty to near empty tables.....problem solved! Yep...we know all about the "I only play on tables that have the same bounce characteristics that I have at home" thingy.
    UNDERSTOOD!

    However, ya mean to tell me that out of 300 crap tables in Vegas.....ya can't find ONE.....JUST ONE empty/near empty table that resembles your table, so that ya can NOT have to walk/wait for the dice to come back to ya?

    James....you've got to be the unluckiest Di that frequents Vegas...to NOT be able to find empty tables.

    Demango, Rick, SnakeEyes, G, Mssthis1.......you guys are the luckiest bunch of players...to have such CONSISTENTLY alarming LUCK....to find these empty tables MOST of the time in Vegas. Imagine THAT! Lol

    LTPETOQ= LEARN TO PLAY EMPTY TABLES OR QUIT!
    ATANHTFT= ASK THE AFOREMENTIONED NAMES HOW TO FIND THEM!
     
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  5. TDVegas, Feb 21, 2018

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    He likely stays on the strip...on weekends...likely plays at night or during busy hours. He's not finding empty tables nor will he go out and look for empty tables or play at odd hours to find empty tables like guys that live here.

    Even his spot (location on table) most benefical to him will likely not be open and certainly if he leaves a table...he might not find that spot open after visiting the mens room and going over his 6-7 toss for the next hour.

    With his limited time and visits to Vegas...you would think he would find "his" table and stick to it like glue until he accumulated what he needed before Parker is tugging at him "we gotta get home, early bird dinner is 5pm".

    As Demango has noted MANY times...

    There is a lot of cow shit flung around by this guy.
     
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  6. James Hall, Feb 21, 2018

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    Fred P liked your post ,
    OK let's get started
    To start with I will play empty tables , What I care about is
    1) the table I prefer
    2) the position I prefer

    If I find my position on one of my preferred tables , I will play empty or full
    Sometimes if my preferred table is empty I might roll more than one roll , depending on my mood

    I am not like most guys who say
    "When I go to Vegas , I go to play , win or lose"

    I AM NOT A THRILL PLAYER , if I drop the $42 , I don't get all distressed and throw a fit
    If I hit the fire bet or the triple hard 6 or hard 8 I don't start screaming and hollering and high fiving everybody at the table

    I have played the game long enough that I don't get all nervous fluttery and excited about playing
    I enjoy playing but I get more enjoyment out of people I work with doing well
    I enjoy wins I have had betting on people I have worked with more than wins when I am throwing the dice

    One of the rewarding times I had playing craps was on the video that Superrick posted on this forum
    That he took at the apartment of my table , on that tape was a picture of me with 3 of the Mesa guys I worked with
    One of them throwing the dice hit a five point fire bet . Collectively we took $8,500 off the table and because of the players on the table
    playing for the dealers the dealers made almost that in tips
    Look at the picture on that video you will see the combined win
    I made almost $3,000 on his throw
    He hit another 5 point fire bet later that day on the same table
     
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  7. Edward-ky, Feb 21, 2018

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    So the roll data is 5 9 5 6 10 7. So point of 4 or 8. So either 26 or 27 across. 5 fire bet. 5 hard 6 and 8. 5 pass 10 odds. So either 56 or 57 total outlay. So 5 hits press to 10 rack 2. 9 hits press to 10 rack 2. 5 hits again drop 1 got to 25 or just press to 20 rack 4. 6 hits its jimmy he sniped the hard 6. Parlay hardway to 50. Press the 6 to 12 rack 1. 10 hits either press to 15 drop buck or press to 10 rack 4. Then 7 out. So by my math you racked 4 with full press and dropped 1 for 2nd 5 hit and 10 hit. Or you racked 13 just full press but not dropping 1 for the 2nd 5 hit and the 10 hit. So 56 or 57 outlay minus the rack of 4 or 13 gives you a net of -52 or -53 or -43 or -44 depending on point and pressing strategy.

    So when you are tring to say that because someone only bets 6 and 8 they missed out on 28 left on table is totally unrealistic. For 1 you had no idea the 7 was going to come and taken down all bets prior to that 7. For the 6 and 8 better. They would of 5 pass and 5 odds and 6 6 and 8. So they would have ended up 22 action racked 7 total net -15. So the 6 and 8 better for that roll sequence would have faired better overall.

    Now you cant respond saying you wouldnt have parlayed the hardway or not been pressing. Not the mesa way. You have stated what you would have won on other roll data in different threads on here using a full press strategy. You dont get to pick and choose strategy after knowing the roll data. Now the dont player on that roll data would have ended up positive if we are gonna pick and choose strategy after knowing roll data.
     
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  8. TDVegas, Feb 21, 2018

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    How are you playing the fire bet if all you can lose on a roll is $42?

    Your $42 is all out on box numbers.
     
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  9. TDVegas, Feb 21, 2018

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    He does that all the time.
     
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  10. Edward-ky, Feb 21, 2018

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    Top i stopped at murphy yesterday and played a short session. Well 2hrs for me is short session. I was suprised on tuesday afternoon 15 dollar tables. Made 150 and there dont even havebto runto the cage just turn around and there it is. I figure you requested tablrs be close to the cage or something. What i do when the table is full or just half full doesnt matter. I will usually after my roll go take a walk for a few minutes and all others to shoot. Then i wont be betting on everyone and dont have sit there and just watch. I still have my spot at the table. Now if there are guys shooting good iwill wait and bet on them though. But when you have that much skill you want a lot of people to witness it and worship you.
     
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  11. James Hall, Feb 21, 2018

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    Yeaah but don't listen to that CHICKEN , "$#^*T" he posts insults then puts you on ignore
    Again , "TEDIOUS" It's not that you are skeptical , it's not that you don't believe , it's simply that much of what I do is beyond your comprehension
    wins are foreign to you, big wins to you are impossible , even tho you see them '
    Your level of experience is they happen , "THE MATH ALLOWS FOR THAT"
    but you are of the , Attitude , "It happens to other people but never to me
    It,s outside your sphere of experience so to you people who are doing these things are making claims

    "Find his table and sticking to it like glue"? , NAAAH Just another thing you don't understand , I am never rushed , I usually go for 2 or three days
    If I wanted to stay longer I could , I could just stay over a week 2 weeks what ever I want

    and as far as Parker is concerned he doesn't worry about specials or the price of a meall
    He is some kind of guy , one time in Vegas we got to talking about a restaurant in Oklahoma City we liked "Glens Hickory Inn wen went out
    fired up old Betsie flew to Oklahoma City , had dinner spent the night there went back to Vegas played a couple days and on back to Texas
    Yeaah he don't worry about no early bird special

    When I had that plane I called it , LADY BIRD he gets pissed when I call it Betsie
    go figure , right? but he is a great friend , I've known him since 2nd grade , there are actually 6 of us
     
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  12. tabletop123, Feb 21, 2018

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    Your post just goes to prove my point of.....What the fu**k is James REALLY doing!
    TD....you know absolutely nothing regarding the intracacies of Dice Influencing, but YET.....you KNOW everything regarding not playing on weekends, playing at night, etc for the talented tosser.

    TD...me thinks you are a Undercover Mechanical Tosser. Lol

    Funny how a guy that doesn't give a Rat's Ass about Dice Influencing, playing conditions, etc....has more common knowledge about WHEN to play, find empty tables, than a guy that's been Dice Influencing since 1966!
    James never ceases to amaze me. I am not questioning Jame's credibility at successfully tossing the dice, BUT I AM QUESTIONING his ability to NOT find empty tables....In Vegas!

    Don't like the evening crowds? Get up at 5A.M. when most tables are empty DURING THE WEEK!

    Don't like getting up that early? Then......YOU No like money!
     
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  13. tabletop123, Feb 21, 2018

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    Okay, I missed that video. Please post it again! Lol
     
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  14. tabletop123, Feb 21, 2018

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    Yeah....I kinda want to quit playing at Murphy. They raise the tables to $15 minimums, & have everyone PACKED into only 1-2 tables.

    Besides.....I just don't have the bankroll to play $15 tables anymore. 2017 was a disastrous year for Old Top playing craps.
    I think maybe I need to LEARN TO WIN OR QUIT!

    Everyone that losesat Craps is full of excuses, ( ESPECIALLY Dice Influencers) & my PATENTED excuse ( although very true) is that my ailment( arthritis) no longer allows for me to toss the toss that was so successful for me in 2014-2015!

    Getting Old ain't no fun!
     
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  15. Edward-ky, Feb 21, 2018

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    I believe that is the video rick shot saying james was a real person. In the video rick showed pictures of wins. It isnt a video of actual play at the casino.
     
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  16. tabletop123, Feb 21, 2018

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    James ya can spin it anyway that ya like, but the FACT still remains the same.....You CAN ALWAYS find empty tables that meet your specs in Vegas. PERIOD!

    Enjoying teaching others, loving to see the Mesa crew win, etc has NOTHING to do with YOU finding an empty table to ply your skills.

    YOU are the ONLY Di that I know of that doesn't HUNT for empty tables. If you REALLY have the skill...empty tables SHOULD be your pot of gold.

    Please don't start with the bounce characteristics thingy! THAT has already been factored in to finding the empty tables.
    Now, youve gone from hitting $5,000 wins with your own toss, to living to see the guys that you have trained succeed.

    Nowadays, you, Parker, & Leon just hop in the plane, wager on the Mesa gang, win money, fuel up the plane, & go home.

    The Mesa gang is so talented that ya REALLY don't need to toss the dice.

    My Ass, head, nuts, & legs hurt. THINK I'm gonna take my Senior Citizens Early evening nap.
     
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  17. Edward-ky, Feb 21, 2018

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    By the same token betting across for table minimum is still limiting your losses. And i would wager the majority of players on here are not just betting the 6 and 8. Some here just bet pass line. Some here may bet pass and 2 comes. Some bet continuos comes. Some bet inside some bet outside. Some bet 2 numbers maybe 5 and 9 or4 and 10 or some other combination of 2 box numbers with the pass or without the pass. But constantly talking about betting the 6 and 8 like the entire forum is doing that is no fact and not close to being true. Sure there is probably a lot of people that is doing that but they are not here on this forum.
     
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  18. tabletop123, Feb 21, 2018

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    Ok.....my bad! I mean.....from the one video that I witnessed...James does have a nice LOOKING toss. The Dice were rotating in sync, but we have no earthly idea what his results are.
    Pretty CAN, & SOMETIMES does lead to Pity! All that glitters ain't gold.

    I'm only questioning the hours, days, & playing conditions of James. Everything that he posts is contrary to what Di's really do.....with the EXCEPTION of not playing long sessions.

    Everything else just doesn't make sense. Now, I won't toss many hands at a empty table, but the luxury of getting the dice back quickly, & not standing at a table for 30-60 minutes.....Speaks volumes!

    I might only toss 1 hand & "walk" too, but I ain't standing at a table with 13 other players, waiting, waiting, waiting, & then......FINALLY getting the friggin dice only to toss ONE hand, & then......WALK! Lol

    HILARIOUS!
     
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  19. Edward-ky, Feb 21, 2018

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    Your not allow to change. You have stated many many times. When i seven out and i quote "I WALK". Its plastered over the majority of threads on this forum.
     
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  20. Edward-ky, Feb 21, 2018

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    I was always curious that he goes to vegas. And since him and rick are best buds. Why havent they gotten together in vegas? I would guarantee if they did there would have been a new thread started with pictures of chip stacks won at the casino to rub it all in TD's face. I am stilled amazed over the obsession this group of professional craps players have with TD.
     
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