Come bet question

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  1. PeacePeople, Mar 11, 2018

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    I'm not a seasoned vet, just kind of picked up playing because black jack was getting a little boring. Decided that playing come bets with odds was how I'd start out. On the original come out I will crap check the opening pass line bet to hedge. I was wondering if it's worth hedging the come bet with the same idea?

    IE: It's a $10 table and I put $10 on the pass line and $2 on the any craps. Shooter sets a point, I put up odds on the pass line point and put $10 on the come. Should I put the $2 back on the craps or just play it out without it? I've been playing without putting the crap check on, is that a mistake?
     
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  2. TDVegas, Mar 11, 2018

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    I'm not a fan of hedges. The any craps carries a house edge of 11%. Your pass/come is 1.41% and 0% on odds.

    Put the $2 in your pocket. Over time...it will add up.

    I see so many dilute their winnings with continuous 1 roll wagers...

    Craps is tough to beat on any day. Don't give the casino any more of an edge than they already have.
     
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    You're saying don't put it on the opening pass either?
     
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  4. von duck, Mar 11, 2018

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    :confused: What took you so long?:D
     
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  5. TDVegas, Mar 11, 2018

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    No hedging. Pass/come...odds. Pocket the hedge money.
     
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    As far as "seasoned" player....without the hedge, I'll put your play up against anyone here as far as "good as theirs".

    You might want to experiment with pushing the line bet or odds higher as you "go green" with this play. Or not. To each his own.

    You play continuous come bets or do you stop adding come bets after a certain amount of numbers are covered?

    If you are a regular player..I'm a fan of "loss and win limits"....by win limit I only mean don't go lower than your set win.

    Enjoy.
     
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    That kind of depends on how the table is rolling, if that makes sense.

    What I'm hoping for is to get the pass on the outside numbers, then get my come bets on the 6 and 8. If that is the case I'll put up the come bet again, provided the roller isn't doing something stupid, like a Nolan Ryan impersonation and trying to throw the dice through the back wall, hoping to off and on the 6 or 8. I will start off with 2x odds and then up them if or as they hit. If that come ends up on the outside, I'll sit tight and wait for one of them to come down, then re-up the come bet. Does that make sense?
     
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  8. Settingcanthurt, Mar 11, 2018

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    Put $10 on the "dont pass" and $1 on the 11 on come out. Same on the second roll. No odds. If your bankroll says to do a third "Dont come" bet.
     
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    All hedges suck. Unfortunately, I throw a ton of 1/2's on my CO rolls, so a buck per $15 CO roll, goes to the shocker!
     
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    You see a lot of hedge plays on the bubble. I would suggest they would do the same on the table IF they didn't think they were going to slow the table down to a snails pace and incur endless eye rolling from dealers...and possibly from other players.

    Some of these bubblers are tapping chips all over the fucking board with hedges. Up, down, back and forth, cancel, all on, all off. It's like a typist tapping thru 60 words a minute. They need the full 20 seconds to get everything set. They would need 3 minutes if the dealer had to do it.
     
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    It seems that there are plenty of people that play all over the board at the tables I've been at. That's fine by me as I'm patient, but you can see the dealers do get a little impatient, unless of course they're being stoked and hitting, then they don't seem to mind, too much.
     
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    Kind of curious about my post #7, does that style of play make sense? Am I missing out by not putting more odds on the come and pass right away?
     
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  13. basicstrategy777, Mar 11, 2018

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    If you want to hedge your come bet, here is a thought.:

    10 come...10 dollar field.......( you could place the 6 and 8 also if you wish )

    2/3 shows....you lose 10 come...you win 10 field

    12 shows.....you lose 10 come, you win 20 or 30 field

    7 shows...you win 10 come..you lose10 field

    11 shows....you win 10 come, you win 10 field

    5/6/8/ shows....you lose 10 field, your come travel to 5/6/8.

    4,,9,10 shows......you win 10 field and use that to subsidize your odds ( you were planing on putting 10 odds, now you can put 20 without going into your rack )


    777
     
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    Interesting...plus the 2 is 2x...so that's a bonus
     
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    A lot of come out craps? "You'll have that" in Biloxi, and a few other places too. :)
     
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  16. twodicebilly, Mar 11, 2018

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    Peacepeople


    It is always good to watch a table a tad before you
    jump in, or even ask dealer how has it been going, any
    number hitting a lot????

    While the statistics most guys use to guide their play are
    taken from long run analysis, your going to be playing in
    the short run. What happens for the hour your going to be
    playing is all that counts for you.

    I am not and never will be a come better, I think it is a leading bet, taxes your bank roll and the idea of betting across with come bets can cost you your house.
    Now if you hit the table with $10,000 what the hell...but if
    you hit the table with a $300 buy in i would never use a come bet unless you want to place one come and wait
    for a decision then place another.

    I have seen so many new guys go to the table and place a $5 come which goes to the nine and they $20 in odds, next come goes to the 4 with $20 odds, next to the 10 with $20 odds and the next to the 8 and next is a 7...... $80 of your $300 in 4 rolls gone, two
    shooters in a row do this and over half your buy in is gone.

    I would rather see what is going on, if 6 &8 are hitting bet a 1 or 2 unit bet on those, take the first hit til you get your money off and press if you want. You get a few hits and made some money, you can take those pressed bets down and rack the profit or reduce the bets and rack most of the profit.

    Also you wont 3-5 come bets knocked off with a come out 7.

    good luck no matter how you choose to pay

    twodicebilly
     
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  17. PeacePeople, Mar 11, 2018

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    Here is the thing, I don't try to fill the box with come bets, usually just want 2 up and sometimes I'll end with 3 up. I also try not to get onto a full table, try to get on one with 3 to 6 people on when I come in. I want the dice in my hands as soon as I can get them, and I'm not a carnival games player
     
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  18. AzDice, Mar 11, 2018

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    PEACEPEOPLE,

    Every craps book has the three point molly as a strategy. Another variation of the three point molly in the books is to get your first come bet on with odds and then just place the six and eight instead of waiting for it through the come bar.
    You can stay with that three bets or.
    After the come bet with odds and a placed six and eight you could bet the come bar and when the six or eight hit you get paid and then you can place your odds.
     
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  19. Edward-ky, Mar 11, 2018

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    Any strategy you employ there is always a inherited risk. One has to decide on their level of risk/reward on what strategy they choose to employ. You can use place betting with inside or outside or across or even picking your favorite numbers but they all will fall on a 7 after a point is established. Sometimes just watching the table you can see others and strategies they use to see how it does. Cant say i am a big fan of the come bet but have seen people do quite well and seen as TDB stated lose a bunchbof established come bets on a come out 7. Now if you have multiple come bets established do you hedge those bets as well by making a 7 bet on a comeout. If your worried about hedging the passline bet with a craps check would you not hedge 1 or more established come bets on a comeout? If you do then now you are further diluting winnings if your hedges arent ever hit. In blackjack did you ever take insurance?
     
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    I have taken even money in black jack, so yes, I've taken insurance, if you want to look at it that way.

    I was asking about the craps check because an old dude that seemed to know what he was doing told me it was a good way to protect the pass line come out. He was betting the same way I was planning to play and doing ok. I didn't know him from Adam, but I was downtown Vegas and it was the first time I played, so I was paying attention to who was playing the way I planned to play. He didn't protect the come bet with craps check so I didn't either. This was back in Aug 2017 which is the first time I played. I didn't go in totally blind as I did some homework by reading books, watching some videos on you tube and other things that are available for free.

    Fast forward to Feb and I played for the 2nd time. I did much better this time, as I had a better toss and wasn't as nervous or intimidated by the game. Plus, my game plan was easier for me to follow and things went well. Played 4 different sessions in 3 days, did very well on the first and last session, the 2 middle sessions were not so good.

    I'm not looking to become a professional gambler, just want to use it as entertainment that hopefully doesn't cost me too much. So far it hasn't, but I don't want to look like a moron when I'm at the table.
     
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