I'll forgo a fun write-up this time and jump straight to the one story that haunts me from this trip. I'm still angry at myself. I'm still thinking about it constantly. I'll set it up, tell you what I did, and you can tell me what you would have done. It's Sunday afternoon. I've been in Cherokee three days, couple of friends with me, some golf, some dinners, some March Madness, lots of gambling. I've been up and down--but dying a slow death on Sunday. Down to my last couple of blacks and ready to just give up for this trip. A guy starts rolling. He is left of stick. I am straight out, left of stick. I'm playing 137 across to begin, and he starts heavier, 270 across, but nothing outlandish. Nothing that would tell me that he has money to burn, or that he was super-aggressive. He is not setting the dice. He arranges them for a moment or two before each roll and then dumps them in the corner behind the DC. He is a big guy and has a short throw from his position. There is nothing inherently special about his toss. I mean it's pretty, doesn't hit the chips, is relatively repeatable. It's fine. If I walked up, I wouldn't think it was remarkably good or remarkably bad. He has a good roll going. I'm pressing every other hit: take, press, take, press: 30 to 60 to 90 on the 6 & 8 and 25, 50, 75 on the 5 & 9. I don't really start to take notice of his action until he's got purple and blacks on the inside and doing a full press on the 6 and 8 as they hit. He hits all the numbers but the 2 & 12 and as I have action on the All Tall Small, I turn my bets off to await an outcome on that (with no further risk to myself). He hits another point and then rolls a come out seven to reset the ATS. I turn my bets back on. He has 3.2k on the 6 and 6k on the 8 in this picture at 4:47 And then things get interesting. He keeps rolling and again gets it all the way to just needing a 2 & 12 and I have made all my losses back, and have a huge amount in play, so I turn it off again and wait for the eventual bad number. Can't go on forever, right? He keeps rolling. He presses the 6 and 8 up to table max, 6k apiece. He is hitting them. It's hard to tell how much he has won, because he rat holes the pumpkins as they pay him. But now they are running out of orange chips. They call upstairs and a security guard shows up with 5k chips. They stop his roll and buy back his orange chips with ghost chips (white 5k chips). At this point he pulls out 35 orange chips and he gets 7 whites which he pockets. I took the picture below where you can see he has 20k in play at 5:02 and she is counting out his orange chips to pay him from the stack of white chips. Meanwhile I am off. (It's hard to say how much longer he rolled from this point, but I must have missed at least a half hour. A half hour where I could have been pressing and hitting--this could have been a life changing roll for me.) I mean at this point it's too late to turn back on, right? I tell the dealer to take me all the way down so I'm not tempted to turn my place bets on. I just *know* the second I turn them on, the bad number will roll. He keeps rolling, and hitting inside numbers. I am now standing with my arms crossed, leaning back against the next empty table watching with disbelief that I'm not involved in this great roll. It's like I'm paralyzed. I keep wishing for a 12 to make up for all the opportunity lost. He rolls for 1 hour and 20 minutes (according to the supervisor later). I know you can look back in retrospect and say, "I coulda done this, I shoulda done that" and pick yourself apart on any given long roll. But this one stands out to me as particularly ludicrous that I didn't jump back in and ride it until it bucked me off. Especially on a roll I may never see again in my lifetime. Afterward, I walked over to him and shook his hand, told him Great Roll. Told him that might be his best roll his entire life. He thought about it for a split second and said, "You might be right."
Nice recap, again! Isn’t that a single $25 chip on the pass line with $75 odds? So it’s 3x-4x-5x odds. Looks like the whale has a $3000 six and eight and $1000 on the four, five, nine, ten. He’s got a load of blacks and greens in his rack while the dealer is coloring those beautiful oranges. Helluva roll considering that he started off with a $25 pass line bet. Am I seeing that correctly?
Liman, right now the tables are 15 and 25 most days. On busy weekends, it goes to all 25's with some 50's. On Sundays you can find 15's again. MisterInside, it's 10 times odds. The shooter dropped his odds down to almost nothing because he had so much in play. I asked my dealer if he could have found another way around the maximum allowed rules with a put bet on the 6 & 8 but he said, "No, that's the most he can do." It's still all very impressive, starting with a 60 dollar bet on the 6 and 8 and running them both up to 6,000. He pressed his initial bet by a factor of 100. Guy had giant balls. And he left it all out there, never reduced and collected for a good thirty minutes after getting them there. Incredible. I want to be back at that table, midway through that roll again. I want another chance to play that scenario...
What exactly are the bets that make up 137 across? Anybody, I can’t come up with the bets. There is one very interesting thing in this photo. Between the hardways layout, and the ATS layout, just beyond the stick, there is a group of lights , maybe 6 or 8, that shine down on the table from a fixture above. I’ve never heard any explanation of what it’s purpose is? Never seen it anywhere else, either. It showed up about 3-4 years ago. Anybody know what the damn thing is for? You can see it best in the lower photo. It changes color from white to blue and back, sometimes too?
All of the money in play, is at risk of the same number, so why drop the odds bet? Seems to me, he should drop his wager, on the number with highest vig?
duck, you have to prepay commission on the "Buy the 4 and 10" at Cherokee (which I'm sure you already know), so when the point is 5 or 9 it's "137 across buying the 4 and 10." When the point is 6 or 8 it's "132 across" and when the point is 4 or 10 it's "136 across." That gives me quarters on the outside and 30 on the 6 n 8. I don't know why he only had limited odds on his pass line, but at that point it really didn't matter. He had 2k on the Buy 4 and could only go up to 250 odds behind. He had been rolling so long, I don't think he really cared. Maybe he was out of green chips in his rail, so busy collecting orange and grey. My ten-ten-ten ATS is here. I am straight out, so the supervisor has me set up in fourth spot. The small side "Little Ones" have already hit. Just need the fucking 12 (which never came). And finally, the lights you speak of are in the table itself. It was part of a misguided attempt to count the number of rolls each shooter had. Stick person is supposed to slide the dice over to that circle of lights and leave them there for a moment. The lights turn blue for a second to signify that they have registered a new roll, then he/she slides them to shooter. They still light up and change colors when the dice go across them, but they aren't used to keep track of anything useful. I'm sure you can use the lights to add a new wrinkle to your "asymmetric forces" theory that act on the Cherokee dice tables. I look forward to reading the tie-in!
10/4 on the 137 across, forgot about the point, and so, only five numbers involved, DUH!. As far as theories go, yeah I have a few, and they are based on what I feel is pretty solid evidence. For instance, I still think that you are Missthis1, or, at least, you are in cahoots with him. Your posts are so damned “SHILL”, it’s hard for me to believe otherwise. I never really had any theory about the “lights”, just noticed them in the picture, and thought It might be a good time to ask that question. Whether or not the dice are “straight” at Cherokee, is something that neither you or me, could know for sure. I make observations, and make them known, to whoever might be interested. To me, my observations indicate, a problem, you or anybody else, can make of them, whatever you choose. If there is an imbalance in the dice, I think it is NOT in the dice themselves, but rather, the imbalance is imposed on the dice somehow. I don’t know how it would be done, don’t even know what might be possible. One more thing. If casinos would not cheat you, because “they don’t have to”, then there would be no need for “Gamming Commissions” would there? The policing agency at Cherokee, is the owners themselves. It’s just possible that the tribe itself, is not aware of everything that might be going on.
They could let Judge Judy resolve those disputes. Which way do you think the Tribal Commission, will rule on your disputes?
so tribal commissions are bullshit....thats what you are saying. I waited and managed to find the rooms dropped somewhat this week, with a promotions. 3 night stay lowers weeknights less then the cheap hotels in the area, but friday and saturday they get you, were booked in anyway....I took mountain tower since thats what I found online to be the closest to casino. once I arrive, Ill have to see if there is any flexibility with them.....while I dont expect them to lower price they might consider a small upgrade since I dont think if gas prices and inflation are running wild then the casino will be as crowded as they wish. its always worth a try. those who dont speak up and ask, get nothing. its been my experience, opening ones mouth and insisting , or at least explaining why I think I deserve an upgrade or reduction in price....works more than half the time. so my entire july trip is booked up except for a few nights on the road....and I have one extra day in biloxi....if I cant get the price down for that extra day, we will just stay at one of the other hotels that offers rooms at half the price. fucking mayor of DC ruined that city so I wont be checking out any casinos in DC or maryland this trip ....baltimore is a shithole now also. we will probably hit parx on our return. any casino not in a downtown or center of any large city. now that Im much fatter and older then our last cherokee trip, if its super hot and humid again, Im guessing I wont be doing much else except staying around air conditioned areas, casinos, or restaurants. I got alot of shit from my wife, worrying about an extra 75 or so bucks a night here and there.....she asks me how come I dont worry about playing with thousands or dollars and perhaps losing thousands, but Im worried about a few nights out hotel prices. she has a point. besides, what Im paying for a house on the beach in florida with an elevator is obscene anyway, so why worry about an extra 500 bucks overall hotel price variations. I look foward to this trip.....this babysitting stuff is really getting to me. I need more freedom
I only asked witch way you thought they would rule, on your “bitch”. Everything else was you’re own opinion.
Well I've been gambling since what 1973 72? I've put in thousands upon thousands of hours of gaming and never had a dispute that couldn't be resolved at the table and always 100 percent of the time when I was right the decision was in my favor move made an error rare but it happens as I'm not perfect If u feel a casino might be intentionally trying to cheat you why be there Play somewhere else
I’ve got a better question than that. Why would an educated man, tell people the bubbles are NOT a rigged game, when it is so very obvious, that they ARE? Both brands. I mean honestly, WTF could your motive be? . Only a complete idiot, would believe those games are straight. You just don’t get it do you? A straight game, is a sure looser, a fix, you may be able to find an angle on. I don’t play for fun. Loosing hard earned money, is NOT “fun. You know it, and I know it.
youre like a 6 y/o getting into a yelling match....youre fat, well youre ugly....and so on. we are discussing casino commision and you go on to bubble craps, the only thing that would make me an idiot is to continue this already rehashed 1000 times subject about the bubble and who is against or for it. so I wont. heres an easy one for you....maybe even you can understand.....dont play it, ever, stay as far away from it as possible, and dont worry about other peoples money and how they want to spend it....personally, I question why anyone would spend 6 -8 dollars on a beer at a ballgame when they can get it at walmart for 40 cents a can. to each his own.and coudlnt care less how people choose to spend their money. more power to them
This is NOT about, “fat and ugly”, it is about what is right, and what is wrong. It is about integrity, and the truth. Those bubble machines are related to a discussion about “casino commissions” because, by all rights, they should NOT be legal, and yet, they are, and I want to know what loophole they squeezed them through. I want to know why there are men, like yourself and others on this site, that stand and defend those machines, when they would have to know, just like I do, that they are rigged. Charging $6 for a beer is one thing. Rigging a dice game, is something else entirely, it’s fraud, legal or not, it’s still fraud. What is the motivation, for you and the others? I know, you know better, and furthermore, what is the motivation of others that know better, and stand by and say nothing? .
