Cherokee Casino

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  1. tabletop123, Oct 19, 2019

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    Well....I am back from another adventure. The wife, & I spent two days at Cherokee. We arrived on Wednesday, & departed on Friday.

    We left JUST IN TIME, because the Casino is featuring a " Price is right" game show, & literally DROLLS of patrons were bused in for the show.

    Unfortunately, I was only comped a room in the Casino for one day. We had to stay at Stoneridge Casino ( $149) which was right up the road for the additional day.

    What suprised me was the Craps table wherein you could shoot the dice, but the wagering was done via computer terminal. It was really weird, because the dice were being tossed on a glass-like surface, instead of the traditional layouts used on most tables.

    The sound of the dice were reminiscent of dice being tossed on top of a marble counter-top. The terminals only allowed for 10 seconds to place your bets.

    On to the traditional Craps tables......four tables open. Three regular tables, & a Crapless table that looked like a Airline Craft. The table MUST have been a 16 footer because it appeared to be longer than my 14 footer.

    If you enjoy being raped.....play Crapless Craps at Cherokee. The 2, & 12 only pays $55, instead of $59 at other venues. The 3, & 11 pays $33 instead for a $12 wager, instead of $29 for a $10 wager. Want your Ass greased....play Crapless at Cherokee.

    A $15 ten, & four pays $27 ( regular tables) instead of $29, & a $10 four, & ten pays $18 instead of $19. Ain't THAT a bitch? Lol

    Sad to report that I got " The old Nutclipper"! Yep.....ended up losing roughly $900. Hit the Small a couple of times, but.....Overall.....No good, long rolls.

    This time around ( maybe I need my head examined), I wagered " All Across", & actually was doing " Well", despite it being a SUICIDE way of playing.

    What eventually led to my demise was NOT taking a few hits, & turning my bets off. There were MANY times wherein I got more than 4-5 hits, but......as is the norm.......we simply leave our bets working until the Seven-out swoops away our wagers.

    I ended up " bailing" after losing the $900, but it was a TRULY sad sight to see the MANY patrons that continued to lose over $5,000 betting Across, pressing their bets, & very rarely putting money in their racks. MUST have witnessed 2-3 guys lose OVER $10,000 betting Across.

    What's really alarming is that WITH DISCIPLINE.....the All Across wagering would have worked wonderfully with implementing a Regression type strategy, or pulling bets after 1-4 hits. DIDN'T HAPPEN!!! Lol

    Everyone was greedy ( including myself), & thought that the Seven-out would stay away for longer periods. A hard lesson learned!!!!!

    At any rate.....I enjoyed the trip, & it was nice to visit Cherokee again.

    Next stop.....Biloxi at the end of this month.
    Las Vegas in November, & back on another Cruise ( 14 days), scheduled for December.

    Feels good to be BACK on the road again!! Life is good.
     
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  2. tabletop123, Oct 19, 2019

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    Sorry....prior post should have stated that a 3, & 11 pays $33 for a $12 wager instead of paying $29 for a $10 wager. ( Crapless table)
     
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    stoneridge? I missed that one. have to look it up on maps
     
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  4. DeMango, Oct 19, 2019

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    Top, you’ve been spoiled by the $10 buy threshold in Tunica. Here in Biloxi, extreme buys start at $20 with vig up front. Go $100 extreme, cost ya $105. After that get $75 for $1 and $150 for $1. But $12 place bets? Never heard of that
     
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    Me too, never heard of a second casino in Cherokee.
     
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  6. tabletop123, Oct 19, 2019

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    Sorry guys. It is called Stonebrook lodge hotel, which is less than a half block from Cherokee Casino. They also have a Stonebrook lodge ON PROPERTY at the Murphy Casino.

    I've lodged at BOTH locations. Very nice, & pleasant stay!!


    Regarding the Crapless table, & WHY it's $12 to place the 3, & 11? I assume it's because it's their house, & their rules. You can always ask for connection to the table games by calling : 1- 828-4977.
     
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    Lol. I just read my initial post. I think I missed the Stonebrook CASINO myself, Liman. Lol
     
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    I will say THIS: There were MANY solo shooting opportunities when we arrived . I actually had a table (alone) for the better part of 45 minutes. Couldn't gain any traction at the empty table, & suffered a minor beating.

    The table with the terminal was mostly empty, displaying the results of every roll on a large T.V. screen. ( adjacent from the table, perched on a wall) I simply didn't enjoy only having ten seconds to make wagering decisions.

    I like the table to move at a nice pace, but NOT that fast!!!!
     
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  9. TDVegas, Oct 19, 2019

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    10 seconds? That's a bit short. 20 seconds is generally more than enough to get bets down for someone with a bit of experience using the interface....but 10 seconds is a rush for a newbie on the game. Obviously, experienced craps players know their bets....but getting only 10 seconds on the terminal? Too fast to start.

    I'm kind of surprised that this version hasn't shown up on the strip yet...or maybe it has.
     
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  10. von duck, Oct 19, 2019

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    I know the Cherokee area pretty good, and I've never heard of any "Stoneridge Casino". :confused: Exactly where is it? :cool:
     
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  11. von duck, Oct 20, 2019

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    There is only ONE plausible explanation for such an anomaly.
    That game has the same affliction as the bubble, only more acute. Same sort of chumps that play the bubble, are what you'll find playing that game. Even though the betting window is very small, the game does not seem to run very fast, except that the average hand, is about 2 1/2 rolls of the dice. I recommend that players should leave this game and the bubble alone, to die a slow death. In an hour and a half of play, I was able to grind out a very solid winner of well over two dollars. :) Give it a shot if you must, and make up your own minds. :cool:
     
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  12. TDVegas, Oct 20, 2019

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    Do you really think these marble palaces exist to be money making opportunities for players? A small side job or pseudo business to generate some additional income? Maybe spend a few hours there each week to "grab a few extra shekels"....???!!!

    Throw a few bucks at wifey each month so she can buy some jewelry? Maybe help with the Lexus lease? That leaky faucet..pay the $200 plumber call with your red chips or go to the table and "get what ya need"?

    If it was an opportunity...we all would be playing every fucking day. Maybe try playing once every 4 months. If you win, you have 4 months to gloat and think otherwise about casinos.

    Jeez. Treat it for what it is...and your attitude will change. What are ya looking for on the gambling, gaming front? Fair?....pffft.

    The door greeter at Home Depot or Walmart thought the same thing.
     
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  13. Mssthis1, Oct 20, 2019

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    The Duck is a disgruntled dealer who probably gets very few tips thanks to his magnetic personality. ;)
     
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  14. von duck, Oct 20, 2019

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    The duck, is somebody that is here to tell you the truth. The Aruze bubble, and that Aruze table, are "rigged" games, and that is the way it is. I would never work for a casino, I believe it would be a disservice, to your fellow man. But that is me. I understand people have kids to feed, so they do what it takes to bring in a paycheck, no problem. :)
    I have to give Aruze credit, for being able to conceal the fix, this time. With the bubble it's pretty obvious, about as obvious as pro wrestling, which by the way, I also can NOT "prove" is fixed. :confused: With this new table game, there are no obvious "moves" of the dice, but there was an anomaly that I was able to spot. I believe this table, has an even more accurate mechanism, to achieve contrived results, than the bubble machine, the table, is absolutely deadly. I do not know how it is done, or even what's possible, so I won't speculate, on that.
    Something that happens at this game, just observing, the dealers, because they handle no money, have trouble distinguishing between a seven out, and a come out seven, and will sometimes push the shooter, 5 dice after a come out seven. :confused:
    There were people waiting to get in this game, but that's gonna change as time goes on. Five or six regular tables going, jam packed. The "fish bowl" bubble, had about half the seats occupied, the "Essence" bubble had ONE seat occupied. The bubble is seeing very little action these days. Being curious, I took a walk around the most populated bubble, to see what kind of action was in play, and one guy had a couple hundred bucks on his credits, the other three were working their last $20.
    And "that's the way it it's" Friday night, Oct 18, 2019.
     
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  15. yacraps, Oct 20, 2019

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    [email protected]#$king Mssthis..LOL
     
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    good thing, I was yelling downstairs to my wife, shit! we have to go back, we missed a casino right next to Cherokee.
    we went over the area pretty good, hiked up 15 flights of stairs to mingo falls, ate at the pancake house on the river/creek(not the one across the street from the casino),peters pancake house I believe? drove the blue ridge a bit, and then drove north out of Cherokee into Gatlinburg, and then moved on to Nashville.

    wasn't sure I missed any other casinos in that area besides murphy, but one harrahs in enough for me.
     
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    not sure why you insist the game is rigged.
    once more, Ive played bubbles everywhere, and won many times, even shitholes in Laughlin, tunica, imokolee, to name a few shitty casinos I visited over the past few years.
    My largest win on an aruze bubble was flamingo in vegas, 2012 ish. 30 minutes play, starting at 5 dollar bets, I won well over 2 grand.
    I still feel to this day I do better on the bubbles then I do on live tables. not sure why, it just seems this way.
    the biggest problem with bubbles is the lack of odds, most limit them to 2 or 3,4,5 odds, where as in the same casino I can get 5-10 times odds at live tables. So I limit my play on those bubbles to dollar or 2 dollar bets.
     
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  18. von duck, Oct 20, 2019

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    I have never said, that you cannot win on the bubble. Of course you can. What I am saying, is, the game is contrived. I've had winners, some pretty good winners. The thing is, that it's pretty much up to the machine, not Lady Luck, if you are to win. I have a way of testing for a fix. In craps it's pretty easy, and relatively inexpensive, to do, and the results indicate a fix. The fix is not 100%, but it's good enough to knock out a system player, in short order. The bubble would attract system players, for its easy of manipulating your bets. They come and try, but it doesn't take long, for them to abandon the bubble, they know quickly, they have no chance there. That Aruze table game, is even more accurately contrived, then the bubble, but you can't see it in the way the dice settle. I see a dice anomaly at the table game, most would never catch it. It is not my intent, to deceive anybody, my intention, is to inform, that is all. :cool:
     
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  19. Mssthis1, Oct 21, 2019

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    You need to make another appointment with your therapist. Their "fix" obviously didn't take.

    While you're at it see if you can make a joint appointment and take your "I can spot biased dice in 10 rolls or less" buddy with you.
     
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  20. von duck, Oct 21, 2019

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    My, my, aren't we sensitive. Ya see man, what I do, is analyze, casino games, and then look for ways to beat them. If a game is "straight", then it is nearly impossible to beat it. If on the other hand, some scum-bag casino, is installing fixed games, then there may be an opportunity, but not necessarily. :) My analysis shows the Aruze bubble to be a fixed game, and the Aruze table also, and more so. I do not know what the legal loophole is, but apparently, there is one. :confused:
    I think from a legal standpoint, it goes like, well, the casino is supposed to win, so if they have to "help" their chances, a little from time to time, then that's OK, as long as they don't "take" more than they're supposed to.
    Just like in the Phil Ivey case, the court ruled that the casino didn't have to pay, they were supposed to win, but didn't. Did Phil cheat? No! He allowed the casino to cheat itself, which they did. I do not believe justice was served. The game was played according to the rules the casino agreed to, but shouldn't have. I don't know what your casino connection IS, but I know your not some "hayseed" from Iowa. Same goes for TD, he didn't move to Nevada for the scenery, or the hiking. If you guys want to tell people the bubble is straight, go ahead, that's your "business", I'll keep trying to get the truth out. :cool:
     
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