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Discussion in 'Prop Bets & Side Bets' started by Ed Gussy, Oct 16, 2016.
Does anyone here know of casino's that do not offer hop bets?
Since hop bets are not marked on most tables, you would have to ask at each casino. But I don't know of any that do not take them.
There are probably some casino's that do not take the bet but it would be impossible to know which ones unless you asked each one. I'm sure most do....like OAP says, many casino's take the bet even if the felt is not marked.
Remember, you must make this bet when the dice are in the center of the table ; if you make it late it won't be booked. Also note, there is no hop bet on 2.3,11,12.
Both casinos in Singapore certainly don't. Also, Carnival cruise line doesn't.
I believe the Tropicana in AC does not have hops.
When I was there months ago the dealer said " No hop at the Trop".
Nonsense. Pure Semantics. they are labeled differently is all with ZERO difference from any hop bet...these 4 are part of the so-called horn bet, which is not "a" bet at all but rather 4 separate, independent ones, three of which are guaranteed to lose (and all 4 of which probably will lose...lol)
furthermore whereas EVERY casino has the hop bet on these 4 numbers, to the op's question i know of at least one casino--ho chunk in sisconsin dells (baraboo)--that does not allow hop bets on the other seven numbers...
the big drawback to no (other) hop bets is of course regarding the 7 especially, where one's only recourse is the higher HA "any" bet if one wishes to cover it or for a hedge.
Your talk is frequently wordy and invariabley full of shit.
So you say they are labeled different but there is no difference...beautiful.
If you make them, you will note the dealer places your chips on the 2,3,11,12....not on any hop bet area.
Talk, talk, talk....that's all you eggheads can do,,,is talk.
What are you getting so defensive about?
2,3,11,12 are identical to hop bets in all respects.
I think casinos don't want non-horn hop bets because they aren't marked on many tables. There have been instances of fraud involving non horn hop bets because of this.
You are right about the fraud thing. One of the biggest ones involved hop bets.
He started with the word nonsense and it went downhill from there.....that's what.
"Nonsense" was not the best word, I agree.
That's a new one on me !
Even though they are in the " Prop " area - they are still " Hop " bets - one roll bets - which pay 15-1 for the Easy way and 30-1 the Hard way !
This criteria excludes the Field bet as a " Hop " bet because although a 1 roll bet it pays even money on a win ! Likewise, the Big 6 and 8.
Mohegan Sun Pocono in PA - "no hop bets Sir."
I keep trying anyway.
If they (2,3,11,12) were hop bets they would go in the area of all other hop bets. The hop bet area says..... hop bets; the area has little boxes with numbers in each box; each box in the hop area contains all hop bet numbers that the patron can bet. ......many numbers are in those little boxes.....except...2,3,11,12.
When 2,3,11,12 are wagred,,,,the chips go, not in the hop bet area, because there is no place for them ; because they are not hop bets.....if they were hop bets, they would go in the area of all hop bets....but they don't go there because they are not hop bets.
That's my argument; that's my case.
Tell me again why you beleive there is such a bet as''''hop the 2,3,11,12.
Silliest argument I have heard in a while. Who care what you call them....a one roll bet that pays the same as if you called them a hop bet.
Everyone is right....and who gives a rat's butt anyway.
a rose by any other name still pays 30:1 or 15:1
I was playing at Harrahs, and they do not have a specific hop bet layout, but accept them.
There was a guy that was playing the hopping hard ways every roll for a $100 each.....he would throw the stick $600, and say, hop all the hard ways including the 2 and 12!
The box would just take the 6 black chips and set them in front of him, and say, you have a bet. He didn't bother setting up the 2-12 on the props.
Oh, by the way, the guy lost his butt!
should have gone to the Bellagio and befriend a dealer
My Jesuit University schooling, every once in a while comes in handy.
We read Aristotle....You should read his
Aristotle METAPHYSICA Book 11 Part 5
The same thing cannot be and not be
. There is a principle in things, about which we cannot be deceived, but must always, on the contrary recognize the truth, - viz. that the same thing cannot at one and the same time be and not be, or admit any other similar pair of opposites. About such matters there is no proof in the full sense, though there is proof ad hominem. For it is not possible to infer this truth itself from a more certain principle, yet this is necessary if there is to be completed proof of it in the full sense. But he who wants to prove to the asserter of opposites that he is wrong must get from him an admission which shall be identical with the principle that the same thing cannot be and not be at one and the same time, but shall not seem to be identical; for thus alone can his thesis be demonstrated to the man who asserts that opposite statements can be truly made about the same subject. Those, then, who are to join in argument with one another must to some extent understand one another; for if this does not happen how are they to join in argument with one another? Therefore every word must be intelligible and indicate something, and not many things but only one; and if it signifies more than one thing, it must be made plain to which of these the word is being applied. He, then, who says 'this is and is not' denies what he affirms, so that what the word signifies, he says it does not signify; and this is impossible. Therefore if 'this is' signifies something, one cannot truly assert its contradictory.