Casino Grade Table

Discussion in 'Bankroll Management' started by KokomoJoe4, Jul 29, 2016.

  1. James Hall, Aug 8, 2016

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    after over two months I am almost amazed I have posted almost 1850 posts and some of these guys have learned nothing I know you have tried to help
    also Rick and others amazingly futile
    I may just quit I will think it over
    Thought it over I will not quit
     
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  2. Pressit, Aug 15, 2016

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    This may not be to your liking but these tables are custom built to your specs, but they are on the small size, biggest one is 8 ft, cost @ $1800. Give it a look. https://www.bigjeffscrapstables.com/home.html

    Also Give a look at his videos under Free Crap Practice.
     
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  3. James Hall, Aug 15, 2016

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    CHECK OUT American Table Games they are custom built to size etc.
    about 6 of our guys have bought them from there
    they are on the internet they are also about 5 miles from my house
    take a look
     
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  4. betwthelines, Aug 15, 2016

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    um...you've answered your own question?

    um...cuz the balls are round and the cubes "square"?

    or...um...maybe it's just me...

    tom p
    -g. geist: o most definitely you...
    --tom p:
    ---g. geist: most definitely you are a square...
    ----tom p: o yerra riot, alice! a RI-OT!
    -----g. geist:
    ------tom p: bang! zooomm! to the moon, alice! to the moon!
     
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  5. TDVegas, Aug 15, 2016

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    Uh, it's not just you....
     
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  6. HornHiYo, Aug 15, 2016

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    Whatever you buy be sure it's an older model. Word on the street is the newer models are casino biased and only the cre'me de la cre'me of DI can win on 'em.
     
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  7. James Hall, Aug 15, 2016

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    I thought they were all casino biased
     
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  8. Onautopilot, Aug 15, 2016

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    :)
     
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  9. James Hall, Aug 15, 2016

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    got ya speechless do he OAP
     
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  10. Onautopilot, Aug 15, 2016

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    First time you got something right! "geist" does leave me speechless many times!
     
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  11. betwthelines, Aug 15, 2016

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    me too
     
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  12. Onautopilot, Aug 15, 2016

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    It's easy to lose you James.....zoooom!

    You spend so much time in your fantasy world, you miss the really fun part of this forum!
     
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  13. James Hall, Aug 15, 2016

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    no I don't miss anything I read all your posts
    yours an TDV and the poet BETW
    all you guys ,, the poets the best tho he rakes them over the coals and he sounds like he really enjoys it
    while you and TDV you guys do it just to be mean
     
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  14. James Hall, Aug 15, 2016

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    you don't lose me , I am way ahead of you
     
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  15. HornHiYo, Aug 16, 2016

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    Oh no. Well you see they are biased but according to one DI expert on this board, who has hundreds upon hundreds of practice hours with dice, he says new tables are going to get worse. They are going to have larger pyramids and softer bumpers.
    I'm thinking those changes may have a greater impact than the extra three in two dice that another on-site expert DI is desperately trying to make everyone aware of.
    He says "It is coming" and only the very best of the best DI will be able to win on them.
    I was hoping he was wrong, but they must already be here because you claim to be the only one winning. Ooh you are sooo good!
     
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  16. James Hall, Aug 16, 2016

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    the non DI or in other words random / chunker player will never notice the difference primarily because they presently roll thay
    standard 5 and out that random dictates , the difference for many of the skilled shooters is that they might
    be reduced in the number of throws from say 30 on their good throws down to say 20 , those numbers will vary
    dependent upon the particular players skill level
    the random / chunker could also find a reduction in number of throws from say 5 on average to strings where anything above 4 rolls would be felt as a bonus
    the best thing for the chunker is to get with a DI to weather the storm

    Post scrip
    many of the so called experts will never even notice the change , they will simply adjust
    their delivery to suit the bounce characteristic of the particular table they occupy
     
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  17. The Midnight Skulker, Aug 16, 2016

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    Up front we need to distinguish between "negative" and "skeptical". I consider myself and most of the other nonbelievers to be the latter; we believe it is theoretically possible but doubt anyone, or at best a very, very few, are actually doing it well enough to overcome the house advantage mathematically built into the game. That is not the same as contending it cannot be done. We are agnostics, not atheists.
    I believe pitching a baseball is an attainable skill because I have seen it done, and by enough people enough times to conclude their success is attributable to skill and not merely to random chance. I can also envision an experiment to test how much random chance affects the result of pitching a baseball and throwing dice by blindfolding the pitchers/shooters, and the results of such experiments.
    I offer no argument that if there is a skill to be acquired practice is the only method to acquire it. Nevertheless, I personally would want some indication that I am not on a fool's errand before investing large amounts of time and effort into acquiring such a skill.
     
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  18. James Hall, Aug 16, 2016

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    in response to the above post you mentioned that for the skill to be acquired , practice is the only method
    and therein lies the problem people encounter in the pursuit of that skill
    a person cannot practice anything they do mot know how to do
    first they must learn WHAT TO DO then practice to perfect it
    many many people have set out to learn what you like to call DI without first finding out what all is necessary to accomplish
    this craft / art what ever you would like to call it
    LEAR THEN PRACTICE
    you spoke of a fools errand , a fools errand is the effort to learn a skill thru trial and error
    that is said to be the greatest exercise in futility known to mankind
    find someone who has developed the skill then get them to teach you
    then practice you can at that point find success or FAILURE
    many have called DI a farce knowing nothing about it
    You have stated you would want some indication that I am not on a fools errand
    the only way to get that indication would be to get with someone who can indicate for you
    but alas , after determining it works
    it would require an investment of time , effort and energy to get better
    I have found over the years people would rather just keep searchin for VARIANCE
    than to spend the time to learn to stop losing
    EVERY MAN TO HIS OWN DEVICES they say
     
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  19. TDVegas, Aug 16, 2016

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    Virtually impossible to confirm beyond what a "teacher" might only just claim. There are no gold medals. He has no ranking. He will not show his profit/loss statement.

    What might be a start to getting an idea if someone knows this craft is they will tell what they will roll (or not roll) above or below expectation...and then go do it over a number of sessions.

    Winning is nothing. An individual can put together a win session strategy that hovers at 90%. I can see where some may get convinced by that as some sort of advantage play.

    Hell, I can list my last 144 rolls and make a credible claim that I was influencing the 6-8 because 50 of those showed up.

    Getting to the bottom..there is no pedigree.

    If James told me this set gets more of this number and goes and does it...well, that is step 1 of several leading to my conclusion of possible dice control.
     
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  20. Onautopilot, Aug 16, 2016

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    Yep, demonstration is the only benchmark of ones, skill. If the demonstration is of a sufficient number of events to establish some confidence level, that is all there would be to it.

    A claim without credentials or a demonstration is meaningless!
     
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