cash-out vouchers for bubble craps

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  1. von duck, Dec 8, 2017

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    Or, maybe he needed help with the answer? :)
     
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    it might have been cold outside, but you had tons of heat on the bubble, the only place it mattered.

    it does make one feel better, makes the win sweeter when you are stuck in a casino during a snowstorm and you have a wonderful night at the tables.
     
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  3. Pressit, Dec 9, 2017

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    If you already have two individuals who you have accepted as loyal, why chance your plan by recruiting from an unknown base? It takes time for one to establish loyalty/trust, which you’ll not find on a questionnaire, or a face to face meeting. Smaller in some cases are better and much safer.
    I believe you are on the correct path as there is at least 1 team in LV I’m aware of doing something very similar to what you are suggesting, and they have been doing well. Wish you much success.
     
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  4. Pressit, Dec 9, 2017

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    Why do you ALWAYS give away the ending.

    There is still time to buy the Trinity Method, or Obie1’s. Although Obie1 had the balls to put on a 2 hr. live video of his method, but something I’m guessing after watching the vid didn’t increase sales.
     
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  5. Pressit, Dec 9, 2017

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    Very nice win!

    Question. I see you use regression. At what point do you start to regress. Is it based on the total amount you have in play, the individual $ on a place #, or someother theory, and how much do you regress % wise. Reason for asking, I don’t regress, I rather do a same bet for 2 more hit before pressing up 50% of the bet, or press up a unit at a time until I reach another plateau. As long as you are winning and are satisfied with the results there is no wrong way.
     
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  6. Mssthis1, Dec 9, 2017

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    Assume betting all the way across. I take same bet the first four hits except for the 4 and 10. I always do a double up press on them. Then I press until I'm ahead for the session. At that point I regress to lock up the win and press from there.

    This run was one of the rare occasions where I didn't have to regress because the 10 kept repeating and hit at $56.00 which made me session positive.

    The reason I was starting out with an odd amount, $14 on each number, was I was down $150 or so from my initial buy in and I hadn't seen a STW bubble go "hot shooter" for quite some time. I started with a $500 buy in and betting $64 across, including.


    What I like is you can make improper bets on a bubble and not be chumped on the payout. Sometimes I'll bet across and press everything $1 instead of pressing the number that hit. A lot of craps players have a hard time getting that to sink in. If I had a small bankroll I would chose the bubble over a live table all the time since a $1 buy on the 5 or 9 will pay $1.42 or $1.45 instead of $1 if you could ever find a live table to book that bet.

    I feel for Liman, the highest min bet I have seen on a bubble is $5 in Vegas . At home on the Interblock machine you can bet 25 cents as long as your total bets are $1. Sounds like his local gambling market sucks.


    I don't always play the way I was playing Wednesday. I chart the bubbles and keep a running count of sevens like a 10 count in Blackjack. During November I saw over 50 more sevens than the mean. The trend solidly reversed while I was in Vegas so I switched from lay bets to place bets. I'll play that way until the trend reverses again.
     
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  7. Pressit, Dec 9, 2017

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    Your “method” is suppose to make $1000 per hr, not $1000 per player? But I am confused on the split. You already have 2 loyal players 30% each, you would be the other party 30%, and you would also be termed the “House” which also receives 30%.I think we now have exceeded 100%. But let’s assume you and the House are 1 entity, all parties receive 30%, that equals 90%, what happens to the remaining 10%? You shouldn’t need a contract if the closed partnership was established on locality and trust. Contracts mean lawyers who pays for that fee and services, what party does the contract favor, and who controls that remaining 10%. How hascsignature authority over any account? This is becoming very convoluted. I think you might want to fall back on the old K.I.S.S. system. You and your 2 loyal trusted friends go out and try your method for a month or more, take pic of the cash-out vouchers showing casino, time and date, how much you bought in for then report back. People are always trying to sell you something, even when they tell you they are not trying to sell you anything.
     
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  8. Pressit, Dec 9, 2017

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    The only time I ever played the Bubble was recently over at the Monte Carol. I really didn’t get to experiment with it due to a number, 5 of them, outside forces which I had no control over. It appeared to me the BC paid better than the live tables, but I could be wrong on that as I didn’t record any of the results. On a live Craps table if you place $10 on the 4 or 10, you are paid $18, I was told a similar bet on the Interblock BC pays $19 and change. If that is correct(?), what is the benefit of buying the 4 or 10?
     
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  9. TDVegas, Dec 9, 2017

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    I can confirm that the STW bubble at Red Rock has been hot this week. Multiple, multiple glowing red "hot shooters". I'm glad Mssthis profited madly. Even TDV made some bank.

    My..cough...cough "call" into the RR hierarchy worked this week.;)

    Hopefully your winning continues back home.:)
     
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  10. Mssthis1, Dec 9, 2017

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    On the interblock machines I have played, buying the 4 or 10 for $10 will pay $19.50 verses $18.00 for a place bet or $19.00 at the live tables that allow a $10 buy bet.

    Buying the 5 or 9 at $10 will pay $14.50 instead of $14.00 for the standard place bet

    On the six and eight you want to make the standard place bet.

    The Interblock machines I have played also pay triple in the field on the 12.

    You have to check the verbage on each individual machine you play as they can be programed differently. Most of the Shoot to win machines collect the vig against the amount won instead of the amount bet. This makes them a better deal for lay bets and a worse deal for buy bets.

    The Interblock machines I've played charge vig against the amount bet. This makes them a better deal on buy bets and worse on lay bets.
     
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  11. von duck, Dec 9, 2017

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    HOT?:confused: Wouldn't that depend on, where your bets were placed?:)
     
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  12. Pressit, Dec 9, 2017

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    Appreciate the reply. Thanks.
     
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  13. dustedone, Dec 10, 2017

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    The monies you question are reflective of playing the bubble not the table. The two are at the table and make better money than the $1000/hr.

    The 10% you ask of is house monies to pay team members bonus based on play. The agreement has set stipulations for overall objectives that the team wants to reach. The incentives in the agreement are there to make everyone aware of the inner working. And everyone is held to the standard of the agreement. I don t want anyone unhappy and leave the crew to freelance on their own. These two are making great money and if they stay true the stand to make even better money.

    There are no cash voucher at the table.
     
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  14. dustedone, Dec 10, 2017

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    This has been set up as a pyramid system by choice. Those involved know that it is that. The team knows that the expanded play.to the bubble will benefit the team. The team agreed through meetings to put bubble play into strategy and will receive monies from bubble profits.

    Will everyone stay the course and not leave feeling they could do it better? Time will tell...
     
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  15. Pressit, Dec 10, 2017

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    I may have overlooked this, but how much $$$ do your team members need to start a session? I assume both team members are playing the same BC machine at the same time, how do they coordinate their bets so one isn’t canceling out the other. And since not all BC machines are created equally do you have a preference, and how do you train/instruct your team so they become extremely knowledgeable players on a specific machine. As far as training, what is the time period, and where/how is the training conducted? How do you assure yourseld the team members are skimming? Also I assume there is a NDC which team members have to sign and agree to, can you post a PDF version of that contract for review?
     
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  16. dustedone, Dec 10, 2017

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    No, this is a run and gun play. No one is teaming on a table, bubble or machine.

    I practice on craps pro trainer; alone

    This is buy choice. My play wins 6 $700 hands w/ profit of $4200 covers 2 players stake in 3 $700 hands. My play averages 15 winning hands an hour as does the other two player(s)

    I don t want to have the team at the same game.
     
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  17. dustedone, Dec 10, 2017

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    bubble play may give a less run and gun approach. still have to make bets on the machine in a timely matter.
     
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  18. dustedone, Dec 10, 2017

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    I don t have to use cash out voucher(s) to prove out payouts. I have people just cashing chip stacks for CASH.
     
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  19. dustedone, Dec 10, 2017

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    And is your name "Tony"?
     
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  20. Pressit, Dec 11, 2017

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    I thought your method only applied to BC, didn’t know it was live Craps friendly. One last question or two, does your method work on crowded table of 7 or more players? Or does this work more efficiently on a near empty table? Oh and probably the most important question. Has your method been exposed to the forces of a real live casino, or just from your work resulting from the craps pro trainer. Craps pro trainer? Never heard of that, can you explain exactly what that is?
     
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