Can you see the difference?

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  1. Craps Poopshoot, Dec 30, 2016

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    I believe that the dice in the 'organic craps' machine are not as rounded as in the 'shoot t win' machines. Take a photo of the dice for me and post it.
    All of the Organic Craps machines in Las Vegas are gone. Anyone know why?
     
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  2. KokomoJoe4, Dec 30, 2016

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  3. Bases loaded, Dec 30, 2016

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    I think the organic dice are also smaller.

    Don't know when I'll visit Yonkers next.

    LIman, you got any pictures of the Aqueduct Bubble dice?
     
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  4. betwthelines, Dec 30, 2016

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    your contention that it is SLOT does not follow from the lengthy reasons you are providing...it is a non sequitur...it is NOT logically "valid" as you put it.

    'shoot to win' is the only bubble that i am familiar with and that i have played and thus is what we are both talking about and...

    ...we are in complete agreement in fact that the bubble rolls are "not the same" as table rolls...in fact it is totally, visually obvious that they are not the same...in fact it is totally obvious that this is due (primarily) to rounded corner dice...(the platform, the glass, the very nature of how it works & other stuff plays into the differences as well...but the point is we certainly agree that there definitely ARE differences)

    i might agree with EVERYTHING you say about how biased or fucked or bad they are, or how much you do not like the bubble dice but you are still saying (in this post at least) that it is THOSE DICE that determine the outcome, however bad or fucked up...i will grant you (for arguments sake anyway) everything you have said about them .

    you are still saying that bubble outcomes, bubble decisions are determined by the same thing the table games are determined by: the DICE THEMSELVES, the RNGs of craps, however flawed or fucked up, or crooked or biased they may be...RNG games are NOT slots...by definition slot outcomes are determined by manipulated logarithms, which can be programmed daily--even hourly--to change expectations and expected (albeit unknown by the customer) payout ratios or percentages...

    now in a previous post(s)---unless i am mistaken---you "seemed" to be saying that the conspirators had some sort of chip inside the dice that were "influencing" the way those goofy rounded cubes ended up...i see zero evidence of that--never seen them tumble other than randomly-- but IF that were true---which it is not...i too have had a lengthy talk with a quite knowledgeable tech who had been to "aruze" tech school & seemed to know the ins and outs of the machine (and its many, initial bugs...lol...some funny stuff)---THEN, yes, the bubble WOULD BE a "slot"

    the bubble is not a slot even by your own information...only your illogical conclusion from that information allows you call it a slot. "the 'Shoot to win' rolls" you say, "are not the same as the table game rolls due to the effects of the rounded corner dice." unquote...yes, you are correct: due to the dice, not a log.

    draw a logical conclusion from your own knowledge and information and you would be correct: "the bubble is not a slot."

    tom p
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    --tom p: yah, yer prolly right
     
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  5. TDVegas, Dec 30, 2016

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    Then the game is exploitable. My contention is you don't truly know this...otherwise, go profit. I would. Anyone can guess.
    Been playing the game FAR, FAR longer than you. On the times I did collate data over the years....it worked pretty close to expectation.
    Pit boss? These guys are not even around the game to watch. Craps machines are far enough removed that a person in the pit is not collating data of any kind or even watching.

    More random? Really. What's more random? If more random means certain numbers are appearing more than others...then it's a head scratcher why you aren't profiting from it. Oh yeah, I forgot...it's a slot machine. LOL. When it figures out what you have bet...a little bell goes off so the dice go the other way.
    Nah..works out about as expected. Of course there are variations just like with table craps.
    Nah. Again, I have the data and it works out about as expected...all numbers. If the numbers were skewed in one direction...the house edge would not be increased significantly---these "players" you refer to would figure out the bias and hammer the machine. Sadly, these are the same guys pounding their fists on the machine when they lose.

    In terms of overall results?...Yes they are.
    Yeah, I've seen these guys too. They are talking out of their asses. The last one I heard is "visual ballistics". They are also the first ones to slam their fist on the machine when they lose.
    Nope. Plus, that's not an argument to term it a slot. Both are random. I have the thousands of rolls to back up this idea. You said you don't even play it.
    Points are not awarded like slot points. In Station properties....$1 wagered in the slot gets you 1 point. On the bubble craps...$12 wagered gets you 1 point...maybe 3. It's certainly not the same as slots. Not even close.
     
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  6. James Hall, Dec 30, 2016

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    does video poker suck ??
     
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  7. Twelve4s, Dec 30, 2016

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    Ask Lid?

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  8. James Hall, Dec 30, 2016

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    I have heard you can actually win if you know how
     
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  9. Twelve4s, Dec 30, 2016

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    LTWOQ!
     
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  10. James Hall, Dec 30, 2016

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    is that a quote from TDV
     
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  11. James Hall, Dec 30, 2016

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  12. lone irish digit, Dec 30, 2016

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    No but Eustace does (not that there's anything wrong with that)
     
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  13. KokomoJoe4, Dec 30, 2016

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    Can you see the difference?

     
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  14. Twelve4s, Dec 30, 2016

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    No, TDV's quote is IJGGUTI.
     
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  15. James Hall, Dec 30, 2016

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    what is that ?
     
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  16. Onautopilot, Dec 30, 2016

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    On the right pay scale machine, and cash back points, and promotions, you can play it at an advantage.....If you understand the optimum play for that game.

    But it is very, very volatile. Also, the best pay schedule machines are becoming fewer, and further between

    Not to mention the small expectation advantage, and the huge bankroll swings. Not for the faint of heart if one wants to play for the advantage.....but fun to play on a lesser level for many people.

    It also very addicting, and can lead to huge losses for those that do not understand optimum play, or what machines to play.

    Just in December, I have had very large swings in bankroll, fortunately, I am on an up swing right now. Also, my points pay back is up in the hundreds.

    Does VP suck......maybe for most, maybe in the long run for some others, but a dedicated few might be able to come out ahead of the game, and enjoy some great comps, trips, food, etc.

    Takes time, lots of time, a large bankroll, patience, discipline, and a "leather butt". :)
     
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  17. Twelve4s, Dec 30, 2016

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    It's Just Gambling Get Use To It
     
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  18. Onautopilot, Dec 30, 2016

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    At $500 a hand, and playing 8 hands a minute on that machine....$240,000 an hour total bet handle. a bit too rich for my blood, even if the rewards are huge.

    You need a bankroll of at least a thousand times the hand play amount to have any realistic shot at the high pay offs, royals and aces with kickers, double bonus, or triple double bonus poker. So one would need a cool $500,000 bankroll. :)
     
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  19. Twelve4s, Dec 30, 2016

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    That's spare change for James.
     
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  20. James Hall, Dec 31, 2016

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    oh if it were only true ,
     
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