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Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by TDVegas, Dec 18, 2016.
Another player "CURED", the tumor, is now looking for a new"host". Maybe he'll get tired of having "Too much money".
sorry two dice billy, you are confusing respect and not liking another posters opinion.
its also funny the way the claim that onauto and TDV have nothing to offer, between them there are decades and decades of experience, not only as players, but onauto as a dealer also.
I find it easier to respect an opinion from a person with years of experience than some internet wannabee who wants to make a name for himself in the internet craps world so at some point it will make him money, whether directly or indirectly
seems some of the posters that left were the biggest insulters, they just couldn't sway the opinions their way.
tabletop, you are right, what else can be discussed about craps? nothing. but trip experiences, and just shooting the breeze about craps and how much fun it is is fine also to keep a board a bit interesting.
this is a big problem, people have to keep lying and making up bullshit and try to convince others they found the goose that lays the golden eggs, and guess what, for a fee, they will share it with anyone who is on this site. but only they know the secrets.
there would be a lot of posters here, mostly the ones that left, that would disagree with you. They can direct you to classes or teachers who would teach you how to make money playing craps, stop working, make as much dough as you want, just listen to what they tell you and what they teach you.
YOur view is ofcourse 100% spot on with regards to craps.
I am personally jealous of not having grand children to spoil. My kids like practicing, seems neither of them are ready to give me grandkids.
Ive always enjoyed your nononsense posts about the game.
You are discounting TDB' s successes at the tables.He is a legitimate DI and people can learn from his expertise.He has never made outlandish claims .Perhaps you are finding inconsistancies where none remain.
He's right, there are a finite number of "roads" one can take, with the subject. What does the average table "hold" in an average day?
Hey tabletop. Glad to hear you are enjoying some time with the youngsters, who will keep you young.
Like you, I have decreased my visits significantly, and it doesn't bother me a bit. But then again, I am not giving things up completely - I do believe that would bother me. Got to play every once in a while.
Hope to settle in at about once a week or maybe a little less than that, maybe 3 times a month.
After a while, sometimes a long while, just about everybody figures it out.
Where is the proof Autoguy was a dealer, I have not seen
any, where is the proof he played 40 years, where is the
proof TDV ever plays a real craps game.
I have seen none.
I have been playing 40 years..... Rick for that long, we have
played all over the country... Records of the work that I have done
can be found on Golden touch site, on other sites,and youtube, I can
list any number of dealers I have played with and casino's.
None of this..... repeat none of this suggests I feel I am good
at this or better than any of the other guys I play with... I have
never said that, that is why I don't question every post or
claim of others.. I am just an old guy from Wisconsin with
a craps table in my den that plays everyday and spends
80-90 days on the road playing craps......
I can provide any number of names you want to see that
will back up what I have just said..... that's what I mean by
earning respect and then giving it.... you see no respect
from TDV or Autoguy toward any DI....ZERO
So Liman where is the proof of the Atuoguy and TDV.... what
makes them an expert that can call for over 15,000 posts
questioning us??????? I still think they both have an ego
problem... and want to feel special by cutting the work or claims
of others, when that work or claims mean adsolutely nothing
Liman if you can explain why a person would do that.. then
we can talk about the respect thing.
thanks for your reply
Liman, by the way, I offerd to play TDV for three days
in a row for $2000......10-15 hands a day which ever
he wanted.......if he is the expert... what happened
Hey, it's no skin off my back you calling me a jerk or anything else. Just slides off. Just don't whine when my versions of "jerk" get tossed back at you.
I'll continue to post my views on craps. You can accept, ignore, complain or move on to greener pastures. Makes no difference to me.
I claim no expertise. I don't really believe in the idea of being able to control, manipulate or influence dice outcomes...MY belief, not yours. My belief is based on common sense---no casino has banned a DI (on record--please don't give me the Laughlin story), any player can still set the dice. There are no DI's in the black book. Some casino's here encourage long roll attempts and even have a wall for them. Beyond that, what gives me the right to offer my opinion or doubt the veracity of DI?
You might want to read up on the First Amendment to the US Constitution...something about ...what's it called....hmmmm....freedom of speech?
The bohunk challenge was offered to all the DI members. Not one took up the skill challenge...
Do I believe all the players you mentioned play craps and have played craps for many years, including Rick, Harley, you and others....yes, sure do. No doubt. Rick also told me Harley makes his sole living off the craps table. Do I believe that? No. So what.
Do I believe they are playing as advantage craps players or dice influencers? No. Trip reports, numbers scratched on pads, a circle of guys who feel they are better than others making me believe they are controlled and skilled dice shooters?...No. That doesn't fall under my belief system and I don't give one rats ass if you like that or not.
The bohunk was waiting for them all
I never said you don't have the right... I said what makes you
think your qualified to question everything a DI posts....
I said you certainly have an ego problem... there is no other
reason for you to do this....
I understand you don't believe in dice control... I don't either
that is entirely different than what I offered here as examples
of practice rolls and differences that can be seen between sets....
I honestly don't know any so called DI that believes in dice
control....I think most agree that the best you can is to have
a shot that is consistent and if your not getting good results change
your sets like you do at your practice table and see what happens.
Even some one with an ego like you or Autoguy appear to have should
not have a problem with a player changing his play at the table to
see a change improves the results. If you see different type results
on your practice table... then posting it here should offer a topic for
discussion among other players with similar interests.... not the constant bull shit you get from the two of you...
You surely can disagree without making everyone pay for your
I think I am being far more than reasonable here..
I don't consider anyone qualified on craps. It's a random game IMO. There is no qualification. It's an opinion based on a 150 year old game, 75,000 hotel rooms and not one single documented dice expert beyond a self claim or what I consider questionable data.
There are knowledgable craps players...just no experts (skilled).
if changing your play improved your results...what the F do I care? Go do that. I might hold that the reasons involve luck more than anything else...but that's MY, ME, MY OPINION. Not yours.
your whole diatribe is you are worried about people voicing an opinion that differs or disagrees with your opinion. "You know, I don't"....so keep my mouth shut. Nonsense shit. I'm not telling you to accept my opinion. You're telling me not to offer it. Sorry pal.
I honestly don't even bother myself with your posts anymore unless you include my name. You keep doing that. Hence I keep responding. Take a hint if it annoys you to such lengths.
Barney's out with one of his temporary girl friends so I'll try to answer from memory. I think TDB has had cameo roles in Supperick's multitude of craps video and TDB has at least one of his own showing the dice landing on a table. It's under the name of Gordon Meyer if my memory is still functional. That's a good video showing the results of a low toss on a dead table probably using g the little Joe toss. I got to go back down to the casino to get my money back.
Oh, No....... I have NOT quit the game. The problem I am experiencing is lack of Discipline from tossing with extreme precision, & THINKING: " I have an edge over The game"!
Seems as though the "prettier" my tosses fly, the STUPIDER, & more aggressive I become! I'm the idiot that USED TO be $3- $500 net profitable in less than 30 minutes & NOT leave the Casino!
Here's my opinion on the BEST way to play Craps: "Send it in" HARD, & HEAVY during your chance to shoot, & Color up ( win or lose) after 1-2 attempts with the dice!
Does it work all of the time? Well.......
I think you already know the answer, BUT that is what worked for ME, & I started getting greedy ( thinking: Just one more turn with the dice, & I'm gonna drill these fuckers a new Asshole)! Well, guess who got drilled?
So......... UNTIL I can recapture my uncomparable, World-Class ability to flee "like a thief in the night" after tossing only 1-2 hands......I AINT GONNA PLAY!
Now, I DO realize that most forum members play for entertainment, & the sheer thrill of tossing the dice! Nothing wrong with getting your "Craps fix"!
I simply do not need a "Craps Fix" with a 14 foot regulation table in the Garage! Old Top just wants the motherf......ing money, & NOTHING else!
Continued Success at the Tables, everyone!
Above post in reply to AZdice post
Exactly right....".if changing your play improved your results...what the F do I care?"
Now surely it did not take you 7000 posts to say that.
Now we can have a decent forum,,because you admitted it does not
I am a happy camper.
if onauto or tdv leave this board, that will be a great loss.
their insight and knowledge of this game makes them valuable members here.
Its a shame others cant stand opposing opinions.
btw, there is no such thing as an expert when it comes to craps from the gaming side.(player), Im sure there are guys who have studied every single aspect, from table dimensions, to different payouts in any casino, to what species wood the stick is made of, and that is the only thing that qualifies them as a know it expert on craps. When it comes to gambling money on a table, it doesn't help them.
I can teach a 16 kidwith a little grasp of mathematics,in 20 minutes how to play and Ill put my money on him he will out perform the so called self claimed craps gurus who infest the internet.
this is a huge problem for a lot of people me included, I don't believe anything I read from a craps site who might offer lessons or instructions
I do not believe in dice control or any systems.
Hey Billy, you have every right to question whether I dealt craps or not, you also have the right to question whether I have played craps for over 50 years!
I made a statement on here that I dealt craps in Reno at Harold's Club years ago. It was just that, a statement, take it for what you will, it matters naught to me, I am satisfied with the truth of it.
Same with my craps play, doesn't bother me if you don't believe it....why should it, I'm not trying to convince anyone or prove anything.
Also, I have never been directly disrespectful to you, or called you names. I did disagree with the way you calculated your SRR, and that was the start of your tirade toward me when you first started posting here.
I also do not get on a DI's case just because they claim to be a DI. I might question some of their claims, but for the most part, we generally have civil conversations about it.....ask Dave, TT, DeMango, and many other DI posters here if I have intentionally harassed them, or been disrespectful to them.
I invite you to go back and find any post where I was disrespectful, or personally attacked you or any other DI poster.
You have taken this to a personal level because I did not agree with some of your methods of calculating your DI experiences, along with your defense of other posters I disagreed with on some point.....valid disagreements in most cases, I might add.
Like TDV, said, If you would like me to stop answering your posts, stop referring to me in them, and I'll be happy to.