Can YOU make a living playing craps?

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Can you make a living playing craps?

  1. No way

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  2. Yes way

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  1. Onautopilot, Mar 15, 2017

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    Billy wrote:

    Another of your back door insults..... do you work 24
    hours a day ??????

    Good morning Billy, do you always see yourself in every post I make?
     
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  2. twodicebilly, Mar 15, 2017

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    Laughing I see you or TDV in every post.....over 17,000
    of them.

    Why cant you allow someone to post their opinion
    about something that you don't agree with and be
    done with it.

    I understand your not stupid so you understand my
    point exactly, and your attempt to always have a
    sarcastic reply is just an attempt to not answer my
    real question

    Neither you Or TDV would play craps for a living
    even if proved it could be done.... neither you or
    TDV would throw the dice the way I do even if
    I showed you in person you could extdend the SRR,
    neither you or TDV would throw the way the dice
    coach does even if he proved to you he gets better
    results than you do, neither you or TDV would throw
    the way James does even if he proved in person
    he could beat your way of playing.

    So my point is not that you don't have the right
    to say what you want, but why contrast
    everything any dice setter or player says that
    will never in a million years have any affect on
    you.
    Can you answer that simple question without
    another insult or sarcastic remark????

    twodicebilly

    For the record, I am certain a player can make a
    living playing craps.... I am also certain I will never
    know about it because it would be mostly tax free
    so he would have to make a lot less than I do
    considering I pay the very top rate. Would you
    honestly expect that person to come forward???
     
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  3. Onautopilot, Mar 15, 2017

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    Not sure what you expect Billy. This is a public forum, when someone comes on here and makes extraordinary claims, they are going to get questioned.......extraordinary, meaning they claim to be able to beat the casinos at their own game.

    And people post a lot of things I don't agree with on here, and many times I express that disagreement.....it's a discussion forum Billy! They can either ignore my disagreement, or enter in to some discussion about it...their choice.

    I fail to see why you get so upset about the opinions I express on here, and many times those opinions you get upset about, have nothing to do with your posts, or claims.

    There is usually two sides to any "story" Billy, you seem to just want one side only, and no one should question that side.
     
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  4. TDVegas, Mar 15, 2017

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    And I am certain no one can make a living playing craps. You even stated YOURSELF you don't expect to even be net ahead playing craps for a lifetime. Now that has changed from expecting to be net negative overall (even with dice control/influence) to now "one can make a living"??? You're all over the map.

    Kate has a standing offer to watch any of these so called "pro craps" players for 25 of their sessions. She records buy in, cash out. Lets see where they stand after 25 sessions.

    The reality, is NONE (even you) would ever concede to such a verification of their "prowess" of "making a living" playing craps.

    talk is cheap. Anyone can make any claim they want. No one is paying their bills from the craps table.

    Last time I checked, this is an open forum of discussions and I'll argue, debate, offer my opinion, critique, agree, disagree, commiserate (or ignore) any damn subject I please (as can you). You don't get to dictate here...regardless if you simply can't understand why people offer their opinions on subjects you say they don't know anything about. Ignore them if you don't like it.

    It seems you are better suited to a heavily moderated forum OR you need to learn how to use the ignore button here.
     
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  5. Onautopilot, Mar 15, 2017

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    If you are certain you will never know about it, then you must not believe that James Hall, or Rick, or anyone else you know on here is making bank, playing craps like they claim, hu?

    I am certain I will never know any either, well, almost certain. :)
     
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  6. twodicebilly, Mar 15, 2017

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  7. Onautopilot, Mar 15, 2017

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    Billy wrote:

    "You don't have the mental make up to figure out
    what other people believe, say or feel does not affect
    you."

    But I do have the mental make up to know when someone is slinging BS around, and I'll tell them I think it's bullshit.......this is a public craps forum. You make extraordinary claims, and you will get questioned!

    James Hall for example, made false claims and posted bogus pictures of chips he said he won at a non existent casino. You tell a tall tale and want people here to believe it, you better be prepared to hear about it.

    You want a forum where everyone agrees with or ignores BS, you need to find a private venue, ain't gonna happen on a public one!
     
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  8. twodicebilly, Mar 15, 2017

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  9. TDVegas, Mar 15, 2017

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    You are free to think and say whatever you want about my play...or lack of or "you (OAP) and TDV are not good players"...

    I could say the same about you. Not that he needs any defending, I'll also make the statement that OAP is one of THE most respected, thought of and knowledgable members of this forum. Just ask them.

    I am also free to question claims of advantage play....outrageous SRR claims or those who claim to beat craps.

    It's craps...a random expectation game. There is no one "better" than anyone else. That is MY belief, not yours. You keep your beliefs, I'll keep mine.

    I never said I was 100% sure no one can play with an edge. I do know any of the ones who claim they can or do work regular jobs instead. I don't buy the argument "I can do it but just don't want to". Common sense plays a roll in my belief that no one is playing craps as an advantage player. I don't have certifiable evidence...just common sense evidence.

    Kate's offer stands....
    The bohunk challenge stands...

    Two credible offers to determine skill at craps.

    Crickets....
     
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  10. von duck, Mar 15, 2017

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    On this subject, I have seen BJ dealers playing BJ in other casinos, never saw a craps dealer playing craps, never. Perhaps they know or since something.
     
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  11. von duck, Mar 15, 2017

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    There are some, same ones that consult sports touts.
     
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  12. Onautopilot, Mar 15, 2017

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    You might have never seen a craps dealer playing craps, but I can assure you that there are more than a few that toss the dice on occasion!
     
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  13. von duck, Mar 15, 2017

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    You CAN make a living playing craps, 75K hotel rooms in L.V. attest to it.
     
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  14. von duck, Mar 15, 2017

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    Probably are.
     
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    Did somebody say BUBBLE CRAPS?...............................BC, BC.
     
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  16. Onautopilot, Mar 15, 2017

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    Billy wrote:

    Autoguy...

    As I indicated none of this affects you in any way... you hardly
    ever play the game.... TDV plays bubble craps ....

    I have played with a number of the real good players in the
    country.. I know what they can and cant do in terms of
    the type of casino play I have seen. I surely understand
    what I can and cant do....

    I have never made a claim on here that was false, I have played with Rick and he is a very good player, I have played
    with Harley and he is a very good player. I have been at the
    table with a number of the good players of GTC. I have never
    played with James, but I understand from a couple of
    decent players that he is the real deal....so they all have
    more credibility than you or TDV....

    I think you and TDV are full of shit, I don't think you or TDV
    have a clue as how to beat the table, and after the two
    of you got done there is no chance in a million good
    players will discuss what helps them win on here.

    You say well when I or we see things written that
    (we) know are bullshit we gotta say thing.... why...
    it is a public forum.... you can say what ever you
    want but why?????? you and TDV are not good
    players, you don't have an edge, you don't even know how to get one... yet you are 100% no one else can,...

    YOU say when we see things we think or BS we will
    come back.... well I think you and TDV are total
    frauds, your on a craps site to make people think
    you actually play the game or understand it well
    enough to keep others honest.... I see no proof
    of that....

    twodicebilly

    This post speaks volumes about your character Billy!
     
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    Over the years I have occasionally, not often been accused of late posting a bet or such. I have a standard reply to such an accusation. I look them straight in eye, say I play hard, but I do not try to cheat you out of anything. There is video of the table, call up have them review it. When you receive their answer, come and tell all of these people at the table what they said. I have never been taken up, on this offer. Not once.
     
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  18. Onautopilot, Mar 15, 2017

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    I don't blame you for taking that stance, getting accused of cheating when you are playing the game fair is something that needs addressing for sure!

    I have never been accused of late posting a bet on the bubble game though. :)
     
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  19. twodicebilly, Mar 15, 2017

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    Autoguy

    no its speaks loudly to yours..... I don't have 7000
    post cutting down others, I want a forum where a
    player is free to speak his mind on what his craps
    experience has shown.

    We all have a right to believe or to not believe what
    some one else has written. And most decent people
    do that.... you and TDV cant do that... you have to be
    the final judge.

    I say you have done nothing.... that could ever help
    another craps player....


    Now I understand you sure as hell don't care what
    I think or you not have acted like you have in the first
    place. You don't build your character by putting down
    all others that don't agree with you.

    In the end you and TDV have over 16,000 posts.. many of
    which challenged others for what they believed... if ever
    there was an indication of poor self esteem and questionable
    character...that would be it.

    tdb
     
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  20. Onautopilot, Mar 16, 2017

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    Good morning Billy.

    I have never been asked to leave a forum by an administrator for the content of my posts. You can not say the same Billy, you have been asked to leave because of your name calling and negative comments on another site. It seems that you can not tolerate anyone that questions your claims, and become very defensive and resort to name calling when they do.

    If my posts to other members here bother you so much, why don't you just ignore them, and save yourself all this anguish?

    Have a great day Billy!
     
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