Can this be called a Don't Doie??

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  1. Settingcanthurt, Aug 15, 2017

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    After the comeout you bet $10 on the DC. Toss is a 10, your bet goes to the 10 DC. Now place the 10 for $10.

    Seven comes you lose the place bet and the 10 DC pays 10 ya just broke even.

    Had the 10 point been made it would pay $36 and you lose the DC ya just made $18.00

    For insurance on the first DC ya put $5 on the yo

    Do this on a couple DC bets?? What am I missing??
     
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  2. Edward-ky, Aug 15, 2017

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    I watched a guy do this bet like 300 dc and if 4 or 10 would buy 4 or 10 for 200. Once up he would win basically 100. Maybe not those specific numbers but something to that affect. I will do that on bubble at times when I do play the bubble. Never done it a live table. Problem is when dc bet gets picked off before it travels.
     
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  3. von duck, Aug 16, 2017

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    In regards to the last question "The BOAT", short on time, I'll get back.
     
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  4. random_roller, Aug 16, 2017

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    The $10 Place 10 will pay $18 on a win, not $36 (at Casino Queen, $19.50 on the automatically bought 4/10 at $10 and up). So in your scenario, you would win $8 net ($18 for the place bet win minus $10 lost on the DC 10).

    Getting the DC to travel is the issue. It has an 8:4 chance of being knocked off before it can travel to a point number. And if you're betting a $10 DC, why $5 on a yo as a hedge? Seems like overkill at that betting level and a few misses could erode any profits. A $1 yo would cover the $10 DC bet (for the 11) if you wanted to go the hedge route.
     
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  5. twodicebilly, Aug 16, 2017

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    in 2007 and part of 2008 I used the doey donts, I would wait til
    the third roll, place a come and don't come bet and lets say it went to
    a 9, I would then place another on 4th roll and if that went to say a
    10, on the next roll if it was a box number I would take odds on both, and play the hand out, expanding to a third come bet if the hand continued. I had fun, cant say I won anything, but then again I
    did not really lose anything and played a lot.

    If play the don't now I do it two ways...

    1, with a pass and don't pass bet which are equal, then I place a
    don't come bet and cover that with odds on the don't pass bet. Once the
    don't pass bet is placed I take off the odds. if a sevens shows I win my
    bet one for one....I don't like in that case betting more than I get back.

    2....If the table is cold or choppy I play a same size pass and don't pass
    bet, If the number is 5,9,4,10, I take odds on the don't side. I then play
    a 6 & 8 at the same level of bet....$25 pass line/don't pass I take a $24
    6 & 8.... one hit on the 6 or 8 I take that down for $28 win and place
    the 6 & 8 for $12..one more hit and down... and then wait for the hand to finish....If the hand extends you can take your odds off the don't pass bet and secure your profit....this is aorta grind,but you can change your size of bets to make it more profitable if you are winning.

    I don't play this while I am throwing or any friend that I feel has a good shot....only on people I don't know.


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  6. The Midnight Skulker, Aug 16, 2017

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    This general strategy -- hedge an established DP/DC with a place bet -- does have a name: Can't Lose. I distinctly remember it being attributed to a Ken Corbin, but I have failed to find the attribution despite making a couple exhaustive searches for it.
    I do know who published this method: John Patrick. He called it Ricochet.

    Both methods shrink variance and therefore offer a lower survival risk of ruin (i.e. a better chance of surviving for a given length of time on a given stake) at the cost of, IIRC, an extra percentage point or so of expected loss.
     
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  7. Settingcanthurt, Aug 16, 2017

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    RR I figured my payoff may be wrong. One of my weaknesses is not having that one thing come to me well. As for the YO I realized I put the $5 vs. 1 wrongly after I closed the browser. Thnks for straightening this out.
     
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  8. Settingcanthurt, Aug 16, 2017

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    TDB largest difference for me is placing allows to take it all down if desired.. All of it if wanted.

    Problem I have is after a seven do I take it all down or leave the remainder up and start over.
     
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  9. von duck, Aug 16, 2017

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    Don't feel too bad S.C.H.,we have all done this, found a "lock" and couldn't find the glitch. I've done it hundreds of times. If you think you have a lock on the craps table, keep looking for the glich, it's there somewhere. If by chance you DO find a lock, don't post it on the board, P.M. me, and it will just be OUR little secret. :rolleyes: I still crunch numbers looking for that " pot of gold also. It's like IV'E GOT IT, then DOAH! DUH! :) :( :D :cool:.
     
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  10. Settingcanthurt, Aug 16, 2017

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    This method using $50 instead of $10 can look real good after a couple minutes if it goes right.

    Using $10 just allows me more time at the table without an immediate bath. Might get into a real nice roll this way.
     
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    It's very "playable" just not, a lock. I have several of these hedge type plays in my arsenal, "trade secrets", I only divulged them to those that I know for sure have "paid their dues".
     
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    I think they tried to look at probability.....the majority of people do not
    get a pass line winner, I think about only 19% make two in a row, and 6 & 8 are the numbers which hit most often.....

    This kind of stuff does not always work, but then nothing else does either.

    tdb
     
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  13. Settingcanthurt, Aug 16, 2017

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    Im off on saturday to give it a try. Just want to get ahead a little over a few hands to progress up for a real killing. May as well late call $100 on the don't pass at comeout.
     
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  14. random_roller, Aug 18, 2017

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    When I'm playing craps, I choose not to refrain from betting on other shooters. I'm there to gamble, so I don't sit out too many rolls, for better or worse. That's okay, I have fun at the craps table and haven't done too much damage to the bankroll as a result. The irony is I'm a very disciplined bettor when I play baccarat and have absolutely no problem sitting out multiple consecutive hands until I think the appropriate conditions exist to bet on the next hand or 2, even though (in theory) the game is basically a coin-flip.

    Nothing wrong with laying odds on a DP/DC point of 4 or 10, just stings a little more if the point is made. But even a heavy favorite loses on occasion; it's part of the game. Hopefully whatever you are doing at the craps table is working for you (more often than not, and overall $$$). If it is, keep doing it. Of course, what works for you might not work for someone else, and vice versa. In the end, it's your money and you're ultimately responsible for its use (so don't waste it on Packer tickets!).

    I haven't been up in Wisconsin since a quick visit last Thanksgiving, but hopefully I'll catch up with you at a craps table someday. If not in Wisconsin, perhaps in Las Vegas or the Quad Cities.
     
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  15. Anthony Sipes, Aug 19, 2017

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    Well that's not exactly the Ricochet system published by John Patrick and brought about by Les Scally.
     
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  16. The Comeback Kid, Aug 20, 2017

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    Here's one I've had fun with.
    I call it the Bell Curve
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    It leverages both sides of the game, but not simultaneously. Pressing the accelerator with the break on, is like filling a cup with a hole in it. And the thing about grinding is, it's unnecassay unless you want to make flour.

    The bell curve requires going against the herd using a count for the switch, until you can feel it in your gut. Like anything else, you have to sync up with the timing. It works best on Choppy or One ‘n Done tables, which assumes that the shooter will toss no greater than 7 - 10 rolls. These are common table signatures. And like the brilliant 777 says, “Most rolls are brief affairs”.

    Think circles; some bigger, some smaller. Nature is not linear. A line that appears straight is actually curving. What goes around comes around. The Bell Curve flips to your advantage the trap of the “One n’ Done, because most are thinking, “this is the beginning of something big." Usually it isn't & they get caught with their point winnings on the table. But if it is & your DC’s start getting knocked off, you still have options.

    Nothing ever goes one way. What goes up; must come down, eventually. The Bell Curve makes it's money following the trajectory. Design your own version. Have fun with it.

    "It takes a touch of genius—and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction". - E.F. Schumacher
     
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  17. rongarm10, Sep 4, 2017

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    How does one win $36 on a place bet of $10 on the number 10? Just sayin.
     
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