Build a full size craps table!

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  1. 7DOWN11, Nov 10, 2012

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    OK so call me crazy but, I am building myself a full size craps table!! Does anyone know the dimensions of an official casino craps table like you would find at the Hollywood casino's etc. Dimensions such as overall height, height of top of table from floor, width, etc.

    I want this table to be exact copy of one you would find at the Hollywood casinos. If their table is 14’ then I’ll just adjust mine to 12’ as that is how big my felt is. So when you for instance place your hands on the chip rail I want it to be exactly like it would be if it were the real table, same for leaning over and putting chips on the pass/don't pass for example.

    So far I have come up with: L 12' x W 5' x H 40" inches high (meaning the chip rail height is 40") But how tall are the table sides from the top of the chip rail to the top of the felt?

    So far I have order a lot of items and a lot of the material all ready. I will finish setting up my work shop up this week but need to go out this weekend and buy 1 last piece of wood working equipment. I am going to make the table out of Oak plywood, oak hardwood boards, some cherry boards trim and walnut boards for the chip rails. I think these wood colors together will look great. I will use black leather type material wrap the foam area of the chip rail, as I already have my full size felt:

    http://casino4you.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=969
    Along with many other items ready to go. Can't wait to get started but I will need to adjust my AutoCAD drawing to the full size dimensions once I can find them.
    Thanks and I'll keep this posted updated as I progress!
     
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  2. DeMango, Nov 10, 2012

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    Find Heavy here or on his website. He has several folks who have built or refurbished tables.
     
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  4. SevenOut, Nov 11, 2012

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    I have had a number of 12 and 14 foot Casino tables. I pondered the idea of making some tables at 8 feet, and had a pool table business try to get some price to put some together using one of my tables as a template and shortening the length... maybe around 1990 or so. Getting a bit senile here. The CHIP RACK of a double row with separators was the most expensive part of the table. I could buy a USED CASINO table, formica trim, walnut chip racks, mirrors, good diamond rubber, less the cash box drop for $1000 for a 12 footer to $1800 for a 14 footer. If you are near Nevada, advertise that you want a table. Any one moving will sell it to you at a price you would be willing to drive buy it and pick up a second hand Casino layout to fit... but be careful where the drop cut is made in the cloth.

    You might be able to get a Casino 8 foot table used, expect to pay a premium, but... if you are not licensed in the State to deal with a Casino supplier you will have to find the supplier and deal with them. A used 12 foot or especially a 14 footer can be found easier than the convenient 8 foot table, like the one used in Davenport, Iowa's river boat Casino. And... you have to consider that the 12 and 14 footer needs at least two dealers (a Stickman and a Dealer on one side) to run. Try finding two dealers and a stickman to run a game and know what they are doing!

    An 8 foot table can be run by the stick man on the Boxman side of the game, but you get more than four players, your brain will be like a squashed pumpkin in an hour of heavy play with lots of weird player bets using house chips. If you are near Las Vegas, try getting in touch with any Gaming School or businesses that sell supplies. They KNOW where everything is in town and in the State! The tables break down into the top, and the three piece base, but you better have some strong friends to set it up and consider HOW you will get this where the wife does not... see it. I recall the plywood base is two inches thick...
     
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  5. 7DOWN11, Nov 15, 2012

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    Quick question for anyone with experience building or restoring a table. As I still get my shop in order so I can work with the 8'x4' Oak panels etc. I decided to run a test on a chip rail design I'm working on. After building the oak rail, I noticed straight away that if I use a 1 5/8" Core Box Bit to make the grooves the chips fit very sloppy and kind of fall over. I tried (2) different depths in a 2" think piece of oak hard board, 11/16” and 13/16”. Both produce a sloppy fitting chip that has enough room to slide or twist and kind of falls over in the rail groove. Not like how the chips fit in the rail at my local Hollywood casino, as for their rails hold the chips nice and snug. In fact I have a chip from the Hollywood and it fits badly in the 1 5/8” groove. The casino chip measures barely under 25/16” or rather 1” 9/16”). Any ideas would be appreciated!
     
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  6. SevenOut, Nov 16, 2012

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    7Down11:
    As you probably discovered, the curved chip racks, as well as anything on the ends are a tough project. If you are in a humid area, you might want to keep the chips loosely fitted into the rack. Walnut, then Oak and Pine racks probably change the most in humid climates. To save on good hardwoods, you might find a computerized shop that can knock out some lathed chip racks that you can later trim to fit.

    I find nearly all factory tables have slop in the racks and the chips will flip to the side when not full and compressed. That would be the least of my worries for fit. Are your chips standard Paulson & Son (Hat and Cane) clay size chips or the plastic standard sized chips? Are they The Gambler's, Las Vegas three bar plastic composition chips? Make your chip rack fit YOUR chip selection. I would have the chips first and then fit them to your table.

    I have also found that older 100 chip trays fit worn chips, but a row of twenty new modern chips will not squeeze into one tray, nor stack without sticking. So even the simple project can be a real hassle to make yourself. The same can be said about making a chip rail on a Craps table.

    Buy a corner and a straight section from a Las Vegas supplier, off of the Strip, and now you have a template. Many years ago I had someone tell me how they did the curves, but it was two computers ago and I could not find his email... That is what got me started on your inquiry, but it can be done if you have something to work off.

    Good luck. And if you are veneering the curved ends with wood or formica, that is where the seams begin to come apart unless you have the two inch thick board holding the table together. I had an appreciation of the work that goes into a Craps Table, versus the easy to knock out Black Tables (exempting the bumper vinyl...). You can buy a longer foot table and cut it down to fit your layout size as an option.
     
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  7. 7DOWN11, Nov 16, 2012

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    The chips I tested were 25 (1$) chips from the Hollywood casino here in Columbus OH (IO).

    I think I found the problem, the company that I ordered the Core Cove bit from sent me the incorrect bit. They sent me a 1 3/4" diam and 1 5/8" cutting depth bit. I looked at my order and I order a 1 5/8" dia. and 1 1/2" cutting depth bit. I have the wrong bit. It is make the groove 1 3/4" wide vs 1 5/8". I have them sending me a new bit and should have it early next week.

    Thanks for all the other comments to everyone, it is all good info.

    Thanks and Happy Dice!
     
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  8. Juiceski, Nov 17, 2012

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    I used plans from Heavy's website but shorten from 12' to 10'. I also got my felt from casino4you as well. The felt is awesome and was made to my exact specifications, including Firebet! Best part was it cost a lot less than other outfits wanted to charge me. Check my video on my table: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMf3KtyD4RE&feature=plcp
     
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  9. 7DOWN11, Nov 17, 2012

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    I've seen that video before! Thanks. I still wonder how the drink rail and the chip rail actually attach... I have seen Heavy's plans and I like most of it but I am cutting mine a bit different and the chip rail and using my own configuration. But those are really great plans being as detailed etc. as they are. But even on those plans I do not see how the drink rail or the chip rail is being attached to the table. I want mine with very little or NO evidence that its screwed on etc. I have a way figured our but I'm not sure I like my idea enough to make it part of my final plans.
    Thanks
     
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    If you think it will help you. I have a 12' table that came out of a casino that went out of business. I will send you up close pictures if you want them. Just send me your Email address by personnel message. I will take them and send them to you. I heard a picture is worth a 1000 words.
     
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  11. Juiceski, Nov 18, 2012

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    The chip and arm rest rail should be 3 pieces. First, create a sub frame and screw/glue it to the curved ends. Then attach the chip rail to it. You can then attach the arm rest to that by screwing from underneath. If I can shrink the picture I have of a local party company's table so it can be posted, I'll post it. I have yet to build my rails (no time), but was planning on using those anchors that dig into the wood, which I'll anchor into the walls. With glue they should be good. A friend I made online (after he say my table video) has completed his based on my info and he said it worked great.
     
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    Rice family project craps table build
     
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    So far I have come up with: L 12' x W 5' x H 40" inches high (meaning the chip rail height is 40") But how tall are the table sides from the top of the chip rail to the top of the felt?

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    So... I realize it has been quite a while since this saw a reply. But... I am regularly setting up autocad drawings for various table games and slot machines for my work laying out casino floors for clients.
    I find the BEST SOURCE FOR TABLE GAME DIMENSIONS is the Patent office. Just search for an official Patent for the game you are looking for, and you will find detailed drawings, typically. Yes... some are very old, but still accurate.
    Example of a sample game update: www.google.com/patents/US7686305
    Good Luck all!
     
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