Bubble Craps

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  1. TR31

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    The casino industry quotes paybacks or returns based on 10,000,000 pulls or spins, etc. It's over the long term.

    Since Video Poker is a game of skill for class 3 machines, the 100% is the computer perfect play number.

    This website provides the seminal article between computer perfect or optimal play vs basic strategy, something most of players can achieve. Btw, I use basic strategy despite being able to play 9/6 JOB perfectly.

    http://jazbo.com/videopoker/jacks96.html

    Certain casinos still offer 100%+ Video Poker, and then you have cases where due to progressives or some promo, the game gets over 100%. For example, quad 7's pay double makes Full Pay Bonus Poker Deluxe return around 101%.

    Here is Atlantis offering 100%+ VP
    http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/atlantis-casino-resort-spa
     
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    Speaking of trees, some people's I.Q. are only abou t 3 points higher. Just sayin .
     
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  4. William Innes

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    I play bubble craps in Ohio. I am curious how the laws in different states may differ, but I believe the game is rigged. I also understand the psychology of gambling and sample sizes and confirmation bias and yada yada yada; BOTH CAN BE TRUE. I believe there is a loop hole in the game claiming to be a "slot machine". It therefor may be allowed to control the dice and know who is betting how much on what. I would like to read about the experiences of other Ohio players, or anyone playing the Interblock machines. I am a sicko of a gambler and I'd probably find a way to lose on these machines if they were not rigged. I never go on any good runs, and it feels as though the machine knows where I have bet and what roll needs to happen to take my bet, especially the bigger bets. I am not making this claim lightly.
     
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  5. Liman

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    the only machines available to me are interblock.
    15 dollar minimum bets.
    if the machine was rigged,or I even felt anything of the sort, the casino cheating, Id never go back there again.
    I lose plenty of times, but Ive had some, many, tremendous wins, many 4 figure wins. Ive witnessed players both lose massive amounts of cash, and win massive amounts of cash.
    I see the same players there all the time.

    its not different than a regular table as far as outcomes.
     
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  6. William Innes

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    I believe Interblock has some sort of control and it can roll any number it pleases. Algos and magnets. If it is a "slot machine", then it isn't illegal.
     
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  7. TDVegas

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    I would have to check the wording on Ohio gaming laws...but for the meantime I will assume they mimic Nevada as far as bubble craps goes.

    Any game that is a representation of live table play MUST (by law) offer the same probabilities as the live table version. Fixing the bubble would be a felony.

    Video roulette uses a RNG...
    Video poker uses a RNG for a 52 deck of cards.
    Bubble craps uses a vibrating floor inducing a random dice result.

    You can "believe" anything you like...but the laws are clear. Plus, just like table craps..there is no need to fix anything. They already have the advantage. No reputable gaming company or casino executive would risk jail by installing magnets or algo's.

    Slot machines that have a "hold" are an entirely different animal. Those are set to hold a certain amount of money. The only reason, video poker, video roulette or bubble craps are characterized as slot machines is because typically ANY game that accepts money thru a slot is considered a slot machine. It's just a generic term that has nothing to do with the probabilities.

    Saying "it's a slot machine, so we can legally set it with a hold"...is a false assumption.

    My advice is that if you cannot get past the idea the game is "fixed"...stop playing it. You will forever subject yourself to misery when dice outcomes conflict with your own ideas about what should happen. I understand your perceptions, but they would be wrong.

    Table or bubble....I've seen the best of the best and the worst of the worst. Fun game, eh?
     
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  8. William Innes

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    Thank you for your thoughts. I seek conversation and or friendship. You seem bright. I do no bet the same ways all of the time; I ebb and I flow. I have become hooked on bubble craps. I first became hooked on real craps, where I HAVE had some sick runs. I do not believe that the bubble imitates real craps. My sample size is not small. I feel something very creepy from the bubble. It is as if the bubble knows my bet, my bet size, my momentum, the whole nine... I hope to speak with you in more depth.
     
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  9. William Innes

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    William, sorry for the slow reply. I've never seen or played the Interblock version of the bubble. I've played the Aruze version, and I see exactly what you are describing. I don't know with any certainty, what the control mechanism is, and I'm not even sure that I know what the possibilities are, but I've seen enough to be absolutely positive, in my mind, that there is some control, by the machine. I am currently running a very nice win streak on the bubble, the first 40 or so buy-ins, of which, I have posted. There are another dozen or so, unposted buy-ins since, that have not and will not be posted, nicely positive though. I can't divulge anything about my method, publicly, as I'm pretty sure that the money available, would be very finite. I see a fixed game as an opportunity, as I have never been able to beat a straight game. Use the PM function to communicate with me, and perhaps we can move over to Facebook, if it can be verified, that your not one of "THEM". The posse has not come along to "hang" you so I have some suspicions. Best not to discuss this in public man.:cool:
     
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  11. oscuro

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    You want rigged? You should try some of the interblock video blackjack machines. Now I have played a few of those that just amaze me with some of the weird things they do. You see them turn over 3 sevens in a row to hit 21. They always turn over small cards to hit 20 or 21, but as the player you always have face cards to bust.
    Also when it goes to give you a card once in a while it freezes and slows down for a second or two before flipping it. How does a video blackjack machine honestly slow down before turning over the player card? You cant help but feel its cheating behind the scenes. It always seems to win bigger bets too managing to get that high 20 or 21.
    At least on the bubble craps your watching physical dice move around. Pretty hard to cheat on that without getting caught. Honestly I play bubble craps exclusively now over any video blackjacks because I just dont trust digital games compared to physical dice.
     
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  12. TDVegas

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    Gamblers can be a superstitious bunch. I totally understand that. They can also be skeptics. Put an electronic game of some kind and pair it with a gambler who isn't all trustworthy of the gaming industry...and the player loses? Eeek.

    The mind will play games. Understandable on some level..but a false "game".

    I've been playing bubble craps for about 5 years now...regularly.

    If I had to count...I've heard someone yell "it's rigged" about 500 gazillion times;)

    Strange...you never hear those who are winning ever complain.
     
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  13. oscuro

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    True, but there is a big difference between physical games like bubble craps with physical dice vs say purely digital blackjack. How does anyone really know the digital blackjack game is playing completely fairly? You dont as a player
    Its also hard to cheat at craps because if you play the pass or the dont pass you can win on any roll so the game is kind of fair. If the dice were rigged somehow you could find the pattern and play either light or dark to take advantage of that.
     
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  14. William Innes

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    A. I am not on the facebag.
    B. I do not have a cell phone.
    C. I have a land line.
    D. Who are "they"?
    E. I am VERY curious, in general, but additionally with YOU, sir.
    F. Your response was not "slow".
    G. I drink, I gamble, I smoke.
    H. I am not smart, but I am often told that I am smart.
    I. My last name is Innes.
    J. I study the art of stand up comedy.
    K. LMNOP
    L. I seek friendship, I have no family, I am without love and/or support.
    M. Me momma was my best friend.
    N. My parents stayed married for almost 29 years. I was born 10 months to the day of their marriage.
    O. My parents both had heart attacks in the house in which I grew up.
    P. I have a heart condition, and I have a self destructive lifestyle.
    Q. I am a gambler. I am a degenerate. I am white trash. I am alone. I am lost. Why is there a line? No mas?
     
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    Just a thought man, if the casino is "cheating" at one game, I think it is fair to say, ALL of their games would be suspect. I say "cheating", because it is difficult to tell, what is legal, and what of that is enforced, as there is a conflict of interest, quite often. Recently reading a court statement from N.J., I am led to believe, that there might be some tolerance, by the authorities involved.:confused: :cool:.
     
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  17. TDVegas

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    Deep down...my thinking with these situations is that if someone TRULY felt they were playing a game that is rigged, set for outcomes, etc....

    They would NOT play the game again. I hear it a lot. "I think there is something funky going on"....

    Well, guess what?

    The very next day that same guy is sitting across from me playing...you guessed it, bubble craps.

    If I convinced myself enough to voice it here or on the bubble...common sense suggests I would not play it again.
     
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  18. von duck

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    Bla, bla, bla, gambling, and common sense don't mix. There is no way, any reasonable person, would think that the bubble I've seen is NOT fixed. You just could not watch this thing for very long, and come to that conclusion. IMO it is fixed, and that is my approach to playing it, and so far, so good. Over fifty buy-ins, about 5 losers, very net positive, still doing some fine tuning. The proof is in the pudding, but I'm not gonna tell you how much pudding I'm holding.:).
     
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  19. betwthelines

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    in that case some might say that you have come to the wrong place...But Not Me...far from it...i offer you both conversation and friendship.

    Welcome to the Forum...it is a free and wild place.
    in that case you have come to no more sound advice anywhere than tdv's "that if you cannot get past the idea the game is 'fixed'...stop playing it"
    the "sick" results you have indicated suggest, however, that your outcomes have not been much different between the two.

    well, maybe "sick" is not the right word every time but your overall results are expected...otoh if your bets overall are high HE ones, then indeed the results could be expected to be overall pretty sick...

    it is casino gambling. you can win but you cannot logically expect to win.

    tom p
     
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  20. TDVegas

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    ultimately I think it's just players venting....

    Understandable. No one likes to lose. Not even a $1 bubble craps player.

    If wondering about the fairness of the game gives some relief as opposed to breaking the machine....no issue.

    I still think you will be back there tomorrow:)
     
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