Bubble Craps

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  1. TDVegas, Jan 28, 2017

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    Theres always someone offering an opinion...take it for what it's worth, including my own.

    Yesterday, a guy was claiming the table hold on the Red Rock regular tables was down 17% (he wasn't clear on how he knew this) and they want to get rid of the bubble. He also offered some opinions on why the bubble limits are much, much lower than the tables. He mumbled something with a wink and nod as if to imply people are lifting more off the bubble than the table.

    I'm also assuming he's intimating that the bubble is cannibalizing some table players.

    To be fair...this is same guy that put forth the idea that there are players utilizing visual ballistics to win on the bubble. I don't think it's him as I've seen his charting pencil "tossed" a few times at the bubble after several....cough...cough....unwanted outcomes.

    I offered that I do understand the bubble is owned by the developer and there is a sharing agreement between Aruze and Station Casinos---which might explain the lower limits. Aruze may not want the exposure of getting "cracked" as much as Station is willing to take that chance. I would also assume since there is limited "security" on bubble craps...they don't want to risk a glitch where someone robs them blind before they can catch it.

    I'm not sold on any of his ideas....but one never knows. I do find it interesting to hear the theories...
    "Don't push the button, let the machine time out---works better".
    "Computers run this game---so don't be consistent with pushing the button".

    Lotta characters trying to figure it out....

    As far as pulling the machine out of the casino...it was just given a complete makeover---new felt, new dice and glass as clear as a Mountain stream. Wonderful. I urge anyone who has access to a bubble craps machine (Aruze or Interblock) to give it a shot. You might like what you get.:)
     
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  2. Grizzoola, Jan 28, 2017

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    Nope. Bubble is not for me. I live alone & like now & then to rub shoulders w/ the hoi polloi at a live table. That's where you observe the full spectrum of human fear, hope, greed, rationality/irrationality. I'm a victim of all before. Love the live table, but to each his/her own.
     
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  3. SevenOut, Jan 28, 2017

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    The Bubble IS getting more action than the Live Table before the evening live table Craps crowd come out of hiding. During slow times the tables are dead with one or two players. The players at each game have different profiles. Much like Video Poker versus Live Poker. When the tables are busy, so is the Bubble.

    The Bubble pays change on improper odds, which makes it very favorable to new players. A player must think fast to make wagers, which is part of the Bubble's Grinding a profit. The more rolls, the more House Advantage at work.

    I am comfortable at a live table with dealers. Not that it is any better Craps Game.

    I find it difficult to look over someone's shoulder at a Bubble to see what kind(s) of System play they may be working. The live table I can tell at a glance and who I want to follow their strategy. I can cheer on a Hot Roll and not be bummed out when the game goes sour... as I am mentally wagering for wins or losses.
     
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  4. TDVegas, Jan 29, 2017

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    I've seen it both ways...sometimes the table is packed and just a couple on the bubble. Other times they are waiting for a bubble seat and no one is on the table.

    I don't think the bubble is going anywhere...although a few casinos have pulled them while others have installed them. The test will be if they ever increase the minimums. Both GVR and Red Rock were $2 min....that has been reduced to $1.

    Off to apply a little "visual ballistics" this morning;)....forget dice control, we are in the tech age. You have to think like a computer hacker.
     
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  5. Twelve4s, Jan 29, 2017

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  6. von duck, Feb 14, 2017

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    I've only Seen one of these bubble machines, and I find it hard to believe that any astute player could watch this thing for 30 minutes and not think it was not manipulating the drop of the dice. It is so bad ,I'm surprised the casino even has it on the floor. Fair to say that if the house will cheat at one game, than probably all. Straight dice, I love it, no miss pays, prop betters don't hold the game up,no annoying dealers, great. Maybe they have an honest version somewhere, I guarantee this one is NOT!
     
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  7. TDVegas, Feb 14, 2017

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    You would be wrong. I'm seeing a pattern..."the casino is out to get me."

    First non spinning dice. Now rigged bubble. Next up I see the dealer bottom dealing.

    My only advice with these situations...if you're that concerned about finding a fair game---stop gambling.
     
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  8. lone irish digit, Feb 14, 2017

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    Great info Mr duck. I believe he's Hardley getting started. Additionally, I would never play bubbles crap. At least with bank craps you can see where you are pissing away your money. Bubbles crap is nothing but transistors, resistors, magnets, and capacitors. I think TD liked it before I completed my editing. Additional, additionally, I don't want no damn beitch screaming at me to hurry up and shoot; I get that at home all the time.
     
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  9. von duck, Feb 14, 2017

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    You misunderstand my whole point. My entire strategy in gambling is to find the fix, and try to exploit it. When I call a fix, I'm not complaining, mei
     
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    the bubble is the purest form of random dice outcomes there is.
     
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    were you sleeping or awake when you saw that rigged bubble?
     
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    So, if any paranoid son-of-a-bitch comes in to our casino looking for a fair game, run his ass off, he's not the kind CHUMP we're looking for anyway. Oh yeah, I got you dead-pegged.
     
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    Hey Von Duck, what was your name in your previous life?
     
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  15. TDVegas, Feb 14, 2017

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    This forum sees the bias dice complaining at least once a week. It generally comes from those people who are losing...and looking for an excuse other than luck. Bad luck at that.

    I never see a winner complain. Never.

    If you think you're in a bad game...run.
    If you think you can read bias dice and profit...go do. Why complain?

    I doubt either is true. The bias, unbalanced dice crap has been promoted by Harley since he took up craps. In fact, your arguments mimic his. Know him by chance?

    As I said before...pick any two unbalanced dice that you want, tell me how the outcomes will be biased and I'll listen to your arguments if it turns out true.

    I say you can't do it.

    The casinos welcome all. Start bitching and moaning about bad dice on a table with other customers...and you might get a little push from Mr. Pit to find another casino. Anyone thinking they are going to question a game openly and is going to get an accommodating ear...good luck.

    Call gaming control if you are shit sure you're being ripped off. No casino is going to allow you to question the integrity of a game in a public setting.
     
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  16. von duck, Feb 16, 2017

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    Yeah, and after that,
     
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  17. von duck, Feb 16, 2017

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    If all bubbles are like the one I saw, then this quote is the purest form of " non-random-bullshit". There is no way any reasonably competent player, would not, would not be able to spot this very obvious FIX. It is the most undeniable example of game-rigging I have ever seen."DUCKS CALL"
     
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    they aren't calling any gaming commission or making any comments about anything in any casino or to any casino employee.
    these are the same people I see kicking bubble machines or punching screens on slot machines.
    they need to blame their losses on something.
     
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  19. TDVegas, Feb 16, 2017

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    Well, this was your first problem in making your judgement.

    The bubble is random. Pure random.
     
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  20. von duck, Feb 16, 2017

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    My ASS, not the one that I saw. Any others, I simply can't say,can I.
     
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