rick, that's exactly the point. Yes, it only proves it did happen. Period. end of story. Its no one business if he had 1 dollar on it, or 100 dollars bet on it. It doesn't matter if he was walking by and sat down to watch numbers, and saw the long roll, it doesn't make one iota of a difference. the point here is that it did happen, he saw it, now we see the record of it. I don't think I read where he claimed to have won 3 grand off of it, he made no claims of any monetary gains, only that he saw it, and I will believe him if he says he had his money in the machine while it was hitting. Heres a guy, who openly has stated sometimes he only bets a couple or a few bucks or evern a buck? when he plays the bubble. Hes not claiming hes walking off with a years salary and living the life of riley off the casinos. Hes not bragging about comped suites with strippers dancing naked on the suites coffee tables. He showed us a picture of what happened while he was sitting at a bubble machine. Holy moly. Id like to see one DI shooter substantiate his or her claims of dice manipulation or talent with such accurate proof. It will never happen. and that's why the heat is being given on this thread, because TD is such a non believer. The only time a so called hot roll by a di shooter is verified, is when another internet di shooter says oh yeah, it happened. Now me, personally, Ive witnessed DI shooters, dice setters, whatever, have nice rolls, the problem is, and always has been, none of them made any money on their rolls because they were stuck on betting what they thought they would be rolling, and they rolled everything but what they were betting. Just another good random roll, and people like me, I say, bless you my son, for you have made me another grand on all those 4s you just rolled, sorry you lost 140 dollars on your roll. Me, I count on anyone getting hot or lucky. I never count on ones self claimed or self described ability to roll anything other than what the randomness of the dice will present.