Blakcjack and Roulette AP here wanting to get into precison shooting!

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  1. crazy21, Nov 20, 2010

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    I need to know what else I need to learn to be a precision shooter! I am pain stakingly working on my thorws right now about another 3 or four more months of practice and Ill be ready! What I need to know is betting strategy's. Where do I start?
     
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  2. goatcabin, Nov 20, 2010

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    My advice is: don't waste your time!

    BTW, how are you an "AP" at roulette?
    Cheers,
    Alan Shank
    Woodland, CA
     
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  3. passthedice, Nov 21, 2010

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    Crazy21

    You don't say where you live, if you do live by a casino that is where I would start if I was you, but start out not even playing the game see if you can find any other so-called DI'S watch how he are betting, and ask question after they are off the tables.

    Get you self some chips and practice your betting at home start off with only one bet besides you pass line bet, make sure that the one bet you do make, you can hit that point, keep doing the same thing, get a book or two on the game one by John Patrick and get one by Sam Grafstein, Craps The Dice Doctor

    You also might want to pick up one of Charles C Westcott books, read those books and practice everyday.
    Don't believe some of the fiction you might read in any other books, were they are saying they are making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year playing craps!

    You will find that there are plenty of posters that will say there is no such thing as DI, and your can't beat the game, only because they only believe in the math of the game.

    I play everyday in Vegas and yes there are DI'S but not to many of them, most players will never spend the time they need learning to shoot and they will never understand how to bet the game!

    If you can find a copy of Sam Grafstein book you will be one of the lucky ones as the book is out of print now I think!

    Here is a link about his book
    http://www.crapshero.com/craps/sam-grafstein/

    Right now there are over 850 books on craps and these are the ones I tell everybody that asks me how to learn the game to buy!
    If you can not commit to practicing all the time I would go along with goatcabin and tell you to forget about it, you are going to lose money!

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  4. goatcabin, Nov 21, 2010

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    The math of the game is quite adequate to fully treat DI. Also, although you cannot "beat" the game, in the sense of gaining a player advantage by some sequence of bets, the math virtually guarantees that some players will be ahead, while most will be behind. That's called "variance".

    I thought that the book had become available again.

    BTW, here's a quote from "The Dice Doctor":

    "Just roll the dice 20 inches. Give
    me ONE BOUNCE, and I'll personally book your bets all day."

    Cheers,
    Alan Shank
    Woodland, CA
     
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  5. passthedice, Nov 21, 2010

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    I don't know if the book came back in print again!


     
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  6. crazy21, Nov 22, 2010

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    My advice is: don't waste your time!

    BTW, how are you an "AP" at roulette?
    Cheers,
    Alan Shank
    Woodland, CA[/quote]


    I do not waste my time on anything... I have spent months learning blackjack, and weeks learning roulette. I can now win at both. Might as well hit the tri-fecta right....

    My strategy gives me an ADVANTAGE, therefore I am an advantage player. Since the are so much more ways to win than lose, wouldn't I be an advantage player... Toke about 100-130 hours to figure it out... Here it is...

    BR=1000
    Playing time per session= about 5=10 minutes
    Amount on table each round=$55
    Stop limit= $55-65
    After 20 sessions I double up my starting BR.
    Strategy is...
    Bet $10 on two 2to1’s switching the winning 2to1 to the blank 2to1.
    Bet $10 on 19/36.
    Bet $5 on odd.
    Bet $5 on black.
    Bet $5 on 6 line 13/16.
    Bet $10 on 1st 12.


    Also thank you for your comment's on my first post. Will get all the books mentioned... thanks.
    Any comments would be appreciated.
    Any improvements will be appreciated.
    Has anybody heard of this winning strategy.

    ””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    My ego is bigger than it should be!
    I’ll try not to a pretentious, overzealous, know it all this time.
    I promise I wont tell everybody how to play roulette or blackjack, I just want to play in your casino. Please...
     
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  7. Sancho Panza, Nov 22, 2010

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    If you're doing so well at blackjack and roulette, why not stick with them? After all, if you move to craps you will have to stand the whole time you're playing.
     
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  8. crazy21, Nov 22, 2010

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    The heat from blackjack is daunting and energy draining alone, also when i have no apparent heat, I get very bored... So I decided to take up Roulette. Dont know much more than that other than I am always up for a challenge.
     
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  9. goatcabin, Nov 22, 2010

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    That sounds like the "Iron Cross" strategy in craps -- so many ways to win. Of course, that's not the whole picture, in craps or roulette. In any -ev game, and craps and roulette are both -ev games, no matter how many winning combinations vs. losing ones there are, the losses will always over-balance the wins. Similarly, various systems of win-goals vs. loss-limits can yield a high percentage of winning sessions, with the rare losing session over-balancing all the wins. Of course, that doesn't mean you can't win; it just means you cannot gain a positive expectation.
    Cheers,
    Alan Shank
    Woodland, CA
     
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  10. dustedone, Nov 22, 2010

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    gentlemen,

    Please understand that Roulette and Craps are eerily similar; with the original wheel having 36 out-comes to the 36 possiblities on the roll of the dice, before the addition of the green ZERO and the most recent addition of the green DOUBLE ZERO. But keep these forum separate please?

    I don't take into the who-ha of controlled shooting, ex-specially within the confines of a casino. I use to play downtown at the Horseshoe before Harrah s got a hold of it and there was this guy that could nail the back wall right at the base everytime. He would set his dice, shoot from the stick-man s left pocket, very little velocity, and hit the wall were the table top would meet and always would stop the dice within inches of each other and the wall. Sometimes he would get a deep run and he would point and seven-out just as easy. But I will say this, on the come-out he did seem to throw alot of naturals.

    well, just like anything that one may do repeatively like shooting free-throws, pitching a curve, or shooting craps; a superstitious person will take to some kind of prerictual actions to try increase their chance of success. I personally will not pass the dice for the chance to shoot. I myself try to shoot the same too. I just wanna keep both dice on the table when I shoot.
     
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  11. goatcabin, Nov 22, 2010

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  12. crazy21, Nov 22, 2010

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    I live on Blackjack Road in Sardis, Mississippi. And my son Attends Green hill Elementary in the North Panola School District! And I Live about 20-25 minute drive from the best view in the state, Lake Sardis... Look it up It is amazing!
     
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  13. goatcabin, Nov 23, 2010

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    In deference to dustedone, I put my analysis of crazy21's "advantage" strategy on the roulette forum. Of course, it yields an HA of 5.26%
    Cheers,
    Alan Shank
    Woodland, CA
     
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  14. dustedone, Nov 23, 2010

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    thank you very much.

    It s not that I have NO interest in the game of Roulette, I do. I have worked some system in the past, but you have to hit it right in the start or forget ever recouping in of your chips.

    It is also fun to have four or more people take over a $.10 table and compete against each other for a while.
     
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    Heat !

    Apparent Heat !

    I am curious as what - exactly - you deem as HEAT - apparent or real !

    To me HEAT is :

    - You're at the PlayBoy casino in AC - the PitBoss tells you you're action is not welcome here and escorts you to the door - only mistake made - he turns his back before I leave - I go to a different pit and begin to play - PitBoss arrives - instructs dealer to shuffle - dealer shuffles - I place bet - each time that I increased my wager - PitBoss instructs dealer to shuffle - TOO OLD TOO SOON - TOO WISE TOO LATE !!!!!!!

    I didn't realize it at the time - I had that casino by the BALLS - all I had to do was flat bet when the count was nuetral or plus and make a large wager when the the count went south ( minus ) and guess what - the PitBoss upon seeing my increased wager would tell the dealer - SHUFFLE - hindsight is 20/20 vision my friend - back then I did have 20/20 vision but I had my anterior inserted into my posterior!

    - My wife and I just recently returned from a 7 day cruise out of NYC where I relieved the ship of $8,000 playing BJ at the $25 tables and we went to the Sands in AC. The new female BJ dealer kept on dealing after the cut card came out - as a matter of fact - you should have seen the look on her face when the hand that was in play - had to be stopped because there were no cards left in the shoe - ad all the while that bright yellow cut card lay on the felt in front of me - never touched by me - never recognized by her -

    Anyhow, prior to that - I was mispaid on a bet - and complained to the PitBoss - after a while he returned ad I was paid correctly - now - here I am at 1st base - favorite position - and out of the corner of my right eye - I see - SUITS - I had no inkling there were that many suits - not only in the Sands - but in all of AC - well needless to say - the axe fell - ater the HMFIC instructed the dealer to shuffle - I turned to my wife and said - Do you want to leave now ? - as she was trembling in her panties she nodded " Yes " - I then pushed my chips to the dealer and asked to be colored up - the PitBoss - ignoring the dealer speaks directly to me and says " Walk with them " - well, I must admit that was a first - after a moments hesitation ad without any further ado - Linda and I gathered up th chips - and let me tell you - that was no easy task - and made our way to the cashier's cage and cashed in.

    After cashing in - I said to Linda - we're gonna have a little fun here - I went back to the table that we just left - and asked for the PitBoss - when he came over I asked him - looking directly in his eyes - " My wife and I would like to be comped to a meal - we've played here for about an hour - How about it ? - He says to me " Ed, if I could I would, it's out of my hands, over my head - nothing personal - just business."

    I replied " I understand - I had to come back and ask - no hard feelings"!

    Heat what's that ?????
     
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