Biased or Unfair Dice at your TABLE?

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  1. SevenOut, Jul 6, 2019

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    Grizzoola... take any loose dice, no matter if they match or size and use a magic marker. At random write numbers 1 through 6.

    They will remain random.

    The dice that are biased were intentionally made BIASED by those wanting to cheat at a 'private Craps Game'. Many are led to believe these truly biased dice look and act the same as those in the Casino. It is superstition and folklore. They had catalogs with various dice combinations for various outcomes. Most in the late 1920's and 1930's. They were expensive, as well relative to pay at the time. They were called Novelty Dice.

    Anyone who read John Scarne's book know more about dice than most Craps Players.

    If anyone wants to learn about dice and bias... it will not be from a Dice Influencing website. THEY are... biased. No shit. Much like those selling burglar alarms... Crime in YOUR area is rampant... type of sales.

    The truly Biased Dice I owned were found at an antique shop in St. Joseph, Missouri in the early 1980's. A small wooden box with some broken to see the lead poured into the die for the bias... and others that if a metal detector was passed over it would... Bzzzzz.

    I was selling broken and complete ones at $20 each. Too bad I was not more interested in dice at the time.

    It is unfortunate many who believe some of these tall tales were taught by experienced 'Dice Handlers'. Much like how great 'Time Shares in Costa Rica' are today kind of sales. They are very good at what they preach.

    You are correct. It will not make any difference, but will ruin a perfectly good pair of dice.

    Another point. The Dice Cup at the Craps Table holds FIVE dice. When they mix them up, the superstitious toss them around a bit and pick a pair that they like what is face up. For the PRO Bias crowd... how do you determine which two were biased earlier?

    No way, No how. I gave a local Craps Player a pair of unspotted dice and a pair of cubes that were drilled for pips but a pip may have been off so not used. I said to magic marker them and see how they seem to work out.

    ZZZZZZZzzzzz Not a word. They do not give a flying shit. It does not fit the... agenda.
     
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    SevenOut,

    Your CASINO (the one you deal at) may not employ BIASED DICE, But many do so & at their CHOSING!!!

    My philosophy is that if you do not check for BIASED DICE before you Put your Personal $$$ in play on a CRAPS TABLE, you do not value your $$$ very highly!!!

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    Looks like ALL HERE agree with the above.

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  5. SevenOut, Jul 7, 2019

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    Many still believe Big Foot is loose in the northwestern forests. Aliens in Area 51 are being secured and hidden from the public. Flying saucers are visiting Earth. Dice are biased.

    Where is the proof?

    Eagleeye2 uses his own posts as... evidence of dice bias. Now that is showmanship! Three posts proving Dice are Biassed. These are CUBES, not flat coins with six sides. At what point does a penny flipped become Biassed? Same with a Cube. Now you have more surfaces and each with a center of gravity shared equally. Go for it. Big Foot is near...

    The Inca's End of the Word was December 21, 2012... among others in the past. Biased Dice were put to rest when the dice were standardized, flush pips, security and equipment producing cubes within thousands of an inch of perfection. Maybe even by molecules.

    Ignore the background noise of Dice Bias. It is the wail of a dying myth supported by those who lose at the Craps Table and have nothing else to blame, other than themselves.
     
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  6. SevenOut, Jul 7, 2019

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    I will repeat just One More Time:

    IF dice at your Craps Table are biassed... PLAY the Bias, get rich, shut up and invest in Berkshire Hathaway Class B stock for long term gains. Or High Rollers... Class A stock.

    These guys promote stock on this Forum and believe in Dice Bias, as well. These guys are like the runt sitting behind you at a movie theatre, kicking the back of the seat. Then his mother whacks him across the head... and he crys all the way home.
     
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    This would be the dumbest move ever done by a casino.

    As a player can play both sides of the game AND can play the bias for an advantage and riches ($$)...no casino would ever risk this knowingly. If it was unknowingly and you suspect....go make yourself rich.
     
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    *******

    Oh Boy... the hornets are gathering. Their feelings are hurt.

    ZZZZZZzzzzz farts in the wind.
     
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    There was an entire web page devoted to this bias dice stuff..outlining the local and Strip casinos, who employed bad dice, what color, what kind of bias....etc, etc.

    and the page was done as a complaint, an alert to others...if you will. A kind of "don't play there".

    I never understood why this individual didn't just go utilize these detailed, outlined and knowing biases to make himself rich instead of revealing it and complaining about it. It would be one thing if the player didn't know. This one DID claim to know the who, what and where....and apparently with guided precision.

    In the end...I don't think he knew anything, he wasted his time with the page and ultimately casino dice are fine for random outcomes.

    In the end, my feeling is that bias dice would have to be so heavily weighted that a player would actually feel the difference when he picks them up....

    A slight .001 (or whatever) imbalance isn't going to be worth anything to any player.
     
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  10. von duck, Jul 7, 2019

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    That thing at the table that holds the five dice, is NOT a "cup", :confused: it's called a "TRAY", MR CASINO. :)
     
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    You can't even tell me what the bias IS. How would you check for something, if you don't even know what you're looking for? We covered all of this shit about a month ago. You did NOT have any answers. :cool: "Check for biased dice", if the bias was THAT blatant, you would be able to see it, like on the Aruze bubble. :)
     
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    I have lots of Dice Cups.

    Easy roller dice sells Dice Trays. DSC01769_450x.JPG
     
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    Although my Dice Cups are tooled leather... I will have to look into the 'old name' on the 'container that sits in front of the Stickman'.

    I never worked at a Casino. I owned a Casino.
     
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    So, now you can SEE BIAS. You are a real gemstone.
     
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    I have seen biases on the Aruze bubble, right from the git-go. I'm not the only one that sees it either. On other sites, I have read many accounts, of people that see the same thing that I do. The make-up, of those that play the game, and those that don't, indicate that something is wrong with the game. It is NOT a random drop of the dice, period! :cool:
    There IS such a thing as a "dice cup" but that is NOT what "dice out of play" are kept in at the table. They are put in a TRAY, that's what it is called, A TRAY! :cool:
     
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    The von duck smart post of the moment: Post #290

    I called them "Dice Bowls" on a carton in the garage. Made a scan of one.

    I used Dice Cups to play Craps with two dice at a kitchen table, with the small layout testing Systems. They are tooled leather, probably made in Mexico thirty years ago. Real nice, so I kept them all.

    It is interesting when people are anonymous, they become smarter than they currently are.

    I have been out of the 'gaming business' for over 30 years. Dice cups, bowls... is that the best you can come up with? ...and we are suppose to believe you have important information to offer to members of this Forum? I can make up better material... and at times, much better as I know what I am talking about.

    Players are not information you will learn much. Dealers at a table know what is happening. They will probably tell you that the Don't Pass with Odds players do better overall.

    I have no axe to grind with anyone, but when dealing with midgets... I have to stoop to their level. Which is rather low on the Forum lately.

    I do not need to prove YOUR negative. YOU do. I will sit back and let you hang yourself. So far, you are doing it very well. Scan.jpeg
     
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    He likes to show off on the forum. Like he's so smart and you're so dumb.
     
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    whoops... missed this burning arrow...

    Craps stickmen are not even 100% following procedures.

    Once the stickman pushes the five dice to a shooter and the shooter chooses a pair, he uses his stick to pull back the three remaining dice. He currently drops the three dice into the "dice bowl".

    The stickman should then take the ... dice bowl... and flip it against the mirror. This way an errant die or both, from some fumbling DI does not end up tossing one die, or both, into the dice bowl, cup, fricking tray. It saves the stickman and the table time not having to dump the, now four dice, from the... dice bowl... present them to the shooter to find that BIASED DIE he spent twenty seconds piddling.

    I also have ...dice bowls... in green. They have felt at the bottom so the dice stay nice and... pretty.
     
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    What's negative about about a "DICE TRAY" that they keep the "out of play dice" in, at a craps table? :cool:
     
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  20. The Midnight Skulker, Jul 7, 2019

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    IIRC it was none other than Harley who rode through the forum in his...um...reflective armor and on his white stallion to save us ignorant sheep from being fleeced by the cheating casinos. I ran some spreadsheets on some weighting and shaving combinations to determine how much bias could be introduced before any bet became player positive with the disclaimer that I had no idea if that much bias would be readily detectable without the use of a micrometer and/or caliper. The expert never answered the question implied by that disclaimer.

    Upon further review, however, It does seem like the casino, which plays much closer to "the long run" than individual players, could introduce a miniscule bias to increase its advantage over a popular bet at the expense of a much less popular bet and come out ahead overall. (In fact Harley and I had a discussion about this a few years ago.) For example, with a configuration where the 4 and 3 faces of all dice in play are smaller than the other four faces (and there fore have less chance of showing) the HA of Pass/Come jumps from 1.41% to 2.26% at the tipping point (i.e. where HA on laying no-5 or no-9 goes to 0). In my experience much, much more money is bet on Pass/Come than behind 5|9, so a sweat shop willing to risk discovery -- biased dice leave a footprint after all -- could introduce a bias between the tipping point and "fair" to increase its revenue by a calculable amount.
    The same applies to DI. Being able to throw a couple extra 11's per 40 hours of play is going to have a negligible effect on your bottom line unless you know when those extra 11's are going to show.



    I have always heard it referred to as the BOWL.



    NB. To my surprise I did not have to play any games to avoid blowing our server's mind with the above emojis.
     
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