Biased or Unfair Dice at your TABLE?

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  1. von duck, Apr 2, 2017

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    I'm not sure about stacked dice, don't actually ever remember seeing it. Twice, huh, maybe the DI guys, ARE making some progress? Maybe stacked dice will become the norm, some DI guy will have to throw a dozen times to get one"read", this could be fun.
     
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  2. betwthelines, Apr 2, 2017

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    i appreciate that your post is completely facetious...

    ...but it raises a point that has been missing from this entire thread...all of the talk about gravity, air conditioning settings, acetate qualities, ships' cant and roll and myriads of other (utterly boring) facts are uncontrollable by the player and are completely RANDOM as well as for the most part immutable (gravity for instance).

    it is the randomness of these factors that make all of the points following from them completely MOOT with respect to any intelligence about bank craps outcomes...it is but one more element to the fact that that dice outcomes are RANDOM.

    bank craps is a negative expectation game.

    get over it.

    tom p
     
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    Hey, you trying to be another you-know-who?
    According to quantum mechanics, one or both dice could pass through the table and onto the floor beneath.
    Now that's influence!
     
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  4. betwthelines, Apr 2, 2017

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    well as i said this was an unrelated aside to your spinners points and actually it is but a mere curiosity that means nothing materially or strategically.

    but what i found especially interesting is that it occurred twice within actually a one week span whereas in my experience it has occurred only 5 times now in a 43 year span (just now it occurs to me too that the third time was less than a year ago)...this all struck me as but one more example of the often surprising probabilities mathematical FACT called VARIANCE, a most poorly understood concept by some on this board.

    take ANY list of craps rolls or ANY statistics list on ANY subject and sort the data any way you wish and what you will invariably see are STREAKS...what is completely misunderstood by some is that this statistical information or live occurrence information, say like at a craps table, offers any intelligence whatsoever as to what will come next.

    it does not...

    variance is valuable in that it is the only means by which one can WIN at bank craps...it has ZERO predictive value.

    it is nothing negative on those that believe otherwise as huming beings are genetically disposed to see patterns in random events --hell, even make bets on it! -- a disposition that likely at one time or even still now had some unknown survival value.

    tom p
     
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  5. Onautopilot, Apr 2, 2017

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    Unfortunately, the expected life cycle of the Universe is not expected to last long enough for that to become a "probability", let alone the life expectancy of Earth. :)

    Quantum mechanics can leave you sitting there pondering your belly button if you give it too much thought.....I find myself wanting to go make a big sandwich when I do that....(Dagwood).
     
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    I have no doubt that LID has used his time travel AP methods and his patented quantum toss to have penetrated tables in the distant future.

    Only glitch would be, any such roll would be called a no roll by the stick, so what's the advantage? This is way beyond my math skills.
     
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  7. Onautopilot, Apr 2, 2017

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    From an evolutionary perspective, seeing patterns even when they are not there is preferable to not seeing patterns when in fact they are there. Consider the following scenarios, and the costs of being incorrect:

    • False positive: You hear a loud noise in the bushes. You assume it is a predator and run away. It was not a predator, but a powerful wind gust. Your cost for being incorrect is a little extra energy expenditure and false assumption.


    • False negative: You hear a loud noise in the bushes and you assume it is the wind. It is a hungry predator. Your cost for being wrong is your life. :)
     
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  8. von duck, Apr 2, 2017

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    When did they change to this new micro fiber? What year?
     
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  9. lone irish digit, Apr 2, 2017

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    Your logic is illogical OAP:

    Most likely scenario is:

    False positive: You hear a loud noise in the bushes. You assume it is a predator and run away. It was not a predator, but a powerful wind gust. However, you ran away into the dark and fell down a steep cliff. A scavenger came by later that night and ate your remains. Your cost for being incorrect is a meal for a scavenger.


    False negative: You hear a loud noise in the bushes and you assume it is the wind. It is a hungry predator. Your cost for being wrong is your life and a meal for a predator.

    To quote an infamous American, "At this time, what difference does it make since we are all fucked in the long run random or not."
     
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    Since we are speaking science while talking shop:

    You could, I think, use the de Broglie equation relating matter with mass and a calculable wavelength to the elusive photons to which OAP refers.

    This is probably why LID buddied up to Max Plank, whose constant is also involved in the dual wave-particle nature of matter, including those so-called dice.
     
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  11. Onautopilot, Apr 2, 2017

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    That might explain why Duck has not been seeing spinning dice as much lately.

    With the lighter colored dice, and Plank's, discreet quanta packets, bouncing off of them, it lessens the chance of spinning. :)
     
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  12. eagleeye2, Apr 2, 2017

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    von duck,

    Seems that opinion on Micro-Fiber Cloth has:

    Lower Friction & Lower Matt...

    Guess that could eliminate Spinners also.

    I don't know when it first came in & which Casino's have employed it today.

    eagleeye2
     
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  13. von duck, Apr 3, 2017

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    Seems lower friction, lower mat, would INCREASE the likelihood of spinners? Best chance for spinner being a slick hard surface, I think, not really sure.
     
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  14. eagleeye2, Apr 3, 2017

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    von duck,

    "Lower Friction & Lower Matt" came from an extended discussion of Micro Fiber, by one called ""Mads Professor"" over on Heavy's Site.

    http://www.dicesetter.com/heavy/main_toc.htm

    eagleeye2
     
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  15. Twelve4s, Apr 3, 2017

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    If it's spinners you're looking for, consult the experts,

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  16. random_roller, Apr 3, 2017

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    Or these guys...

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  17. Twelve4s, Apr 3, 2017

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    I just looked at your avatar full size: Funneeey!
     
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    It's the truth!
     
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  20. The Midnight Skulker, Apr 19, 2017

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    Personally I would prefer consulting these guys. They seem to know how to get spinners to oblige them.

     
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