Biased or Unfair Dice at your TABLE?

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  1. Twelve4s, Apr 1, 2017

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    What happened to Midnight?
     
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  2. eagleeye2, Apr 1, 2017

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    von duck,

    The lack of "SPINNERS" on current Dice Tables is, more than likely the result of the Casino's change to the more current ""Micro Fiber"" table top surfaces.

    Yes, Casino's will alter what's under their control, on the Dice Table to enhance their WIN Rates!

    All can see that Casino Dice, are under control of the Casino, so judge accordingly.

    eagleeye2
     
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  3. von duck, Apr 1, 2017

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    How exactly does this fiber effect the dice?
     
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  4. TonyDvegasrules, Apr 1, 2017

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    Remember the house always has the odds and edge in their favor. If that is the case why would they risk their very existence by being discovered by cheating.
     
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  5. von duck, Apr 1, 2017

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    Perhaps there's not much risk. Why did VW risk their reputation, billions of $ plus possible criminal charges? For the money. We all know of the house edge, the question is, what do we not know? A lack of spinners, would not necessarily, indicate cheating. It is an effect, I am looking for the cause.
     
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  6. Onautopilot, Apr 1, 2017

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    If anyone suspects that a casino is intentionally cheating them at the games they play, my question would be, "Why would you ever step foot in that door again?".

    Can a casino cheat the players? Sure, if they choose to do that!

    Are there any casinos that are intentionally cheating? Maybe, who knows.

    There must be an element of trust on the players part...that doesn't mean they should not be aware, and open to a possibility. But again, if you don't trust that casino, why are you there?

    Based on my personal experiences and observations, I don't believe I have been cheated in the past 40 years or so........before that, I am quite sure a couple out of the way casinos did in fact employ some shady practices. I never said anything, I just walked out the door and never came back. :)

    I play enough where I am confident, that over time, I could identify that something might be amiss....or maybe not, depending on the degree of introduced bias. But for the most part, I believe I am playing a "fair" game......in other words, the casino is only enjoying their known advantage.

    If I were not satisfied that this is the case for most casinos, I would never step foot in one again!

    Even if it was the only game in town. :)
     
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  7. eagleeye2, Apr 1, 2017

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    von duck,

    A higher MATT & increased Friction on the Dice.

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  8. eagleeye2, Apr 1, 2017

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    TonyD,

    There are no LAWS against Weight Biased Dice in all but (2) States.

    That makes Casino's free to Hike their Take on the Craps Table.

    eagleeye2
     
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  9. von duck, Apr 1, 2017

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    I believe that one should be cautious, and apply a keen eye, in all maters that involve money. It seems I am not the only one. Case in point: A while back, I was lucky enough to throw " 6 to the fire", had no money on it but 2 other people had a red chip on it. There were 5 house people, watching this happen, 2 dealers, stick, box guy, and a heffer, standing beside the box. It took the house 30 minutes or more to pay the two fire winners off. This means they ran the tape on the entire throw,to check for any flaw, even with 5 house people wittinessing. I believe it wise to use caution and a keen eye, and it seems, so do the casinos. They don't even trust their own people, 5 of them.
     
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  10. Onautopilot, Apr 1, 2017

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    Not true! Read the Nevada Gaming Commission's rules and regulations!

    Intentionally putting bias dice in play is indeed against regulations...and punishable! Period!
     
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    NJ Law:
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    - 120 -

    Dice; physical characteristics

    (a) Except as otherwise provided in (b) below, each die used in gaming shall:

    1. Be formed in the shape of a perfect cube and of a size no smaller than

      0.750 of an inch on each side nor any larger than 0.775 of an inch on each

      side;

    2. Be transparent and made exclusively of cellulose except for the spots,

      name or trade name of the casino licensee and serial number or letters

      contained thereon;

    3. Have the surface of each of its sides perfectly flat and the spots contained

      in each side perfectly flush with the area surrounding them;

    4. Have all edges and corners perfectly square and forming perfect 90

      degree angles;

    5. Have the texture and finish of each side exactly identical to the texture

      and finish of all other sides;

    6. Have its weight equally distributed throughout the cube and no side of

      the cube heavier or lighter than any other side of the cube;

    7. Have its six sides bearing white circular spots from one to six respectively with the diameter of each spot equal to the diameter of every other spot

      on the die;

    8. Have spots arranged so that the side containing one spot is directly

      opposite the side containing six spots, the side containing two spots is directly opposite the side containing five spots and the side containing three spots is directly opposite the side containing four spots; each spot
    - 121 -

    shall be placed on the die by drilling into the surface of the cube and filling the drilled out portion with a compound which is equal in weight to the weight of the cellulose drilled out and which forms a permanent bond with the cellulose cube, and shall extend into the cube exactly the same distance as every other spot extends into the cube to an accuracy tolerance of .0004 of an inch; and
     
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  12. eagleeye2, Apr 1, 2017

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    FredP,.

    That says ZIPPO!

    No way specified to INSURE that Weigth Biased Dice are not in PLAY, DUH...

    eagleeye2
     
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    Dishonest jerk and liar.
     
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  15. von duck, Apr 1, 2017

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    Number 6 does not say how to determine it, but it does say the dice would have to be "weight ballanced". That's what it says.
     
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    And 1/2 of your life. Ha Ha Ha .......................................................
     
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  17. eagleeye2, Apr 1, 2017

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    reading Comprehension @01 for FredP.

    That says ZIPPO!

    No way is specified to INSURE that Weight Biased Dice are not in PLAY, DUH...

    eagleeye2
     
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  18. betwthelines, Apr 2, 2017

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    yes.

    about at expectation.

    this assumes by "your table" you mean the one(s) at the local joint where i most commonly play. i have no idea whatsoever about "felt conditions" there or anywhere.

    i am recently back from my winter snowbird journey where i played craps at approximately 15 different tables and spinners occurred less frequently but there were some.

    just as (what i think is) an interesting though unrelated aside, during this trip i saw the dice land on top of each other two times, bringing the total times that i have witnessed this to five in 43 years of playing bank craps.

    tom p
     
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  19. betwthelines, Apr 2, 2017

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    hm. interesting. i never thought about it that way.

    my guess is that a skilled dice setter, while likely unable to influence outcomes (just as you do exclude that here) would be able with some consistency to predict which die would land either left or right...significantly better than 50% of the time methinks...i am thinking of tabletop and other setters on here that have realistic expectations or have described their shots in ways that lead to my guess here.

    tom p
     
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  20. Onautopilot, Apr 2, 2017

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    I would imagine that the light reflection off the two different colored dice would have some "influence" to be considered.....the red dice would absorb more of the photons, and the green would reflect more of them, I think.
     
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