betting strategy

Discussion in 'Bankroll Management' started by harrythewit, Jun 30, 2018.

  1. TDVegas, Jul 13, 2018

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    That's NOT how James explained it. Dice influence is merely the act of tossing. Dice control is exerting influence.
    Ok...but that's NOT how James explained it.
    Again...that's NOT how James explained dice influence and dice control. Dice influence is merely the act of tossing. Dice control is influence.

    You seem to infer that I AM making this statement. I am not. These are James' explanations for dice influence and dice control. Take it up with him.

    Absolutely not. For me, dice influence is the act of influencing results that are not random. It could be a higher SRR than 6. It could be an extra 6 per 36 rolls.
    Well, neither do I. I am merely stating to you that James has a totally different interpretation of DI and DC than you.
    Ok. That's right. You need to prove nothing to anyone else. You also cannot expect people to affirm your claim...especially if they don't really believe in DI.

    They may say nothing, they may say it was random or they may simply say glad you won. You can't pick for them.
     
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  2. James Hall, Jul 13, 2018

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    You don't believe in it but at one time you didn't
    believe people could win now you say you do since you talked to Tom
    So chances are at some point you will believe in DI
    You are quibbling over semantics , what is your point ?
    the old masters used neither of those terms to describe
    what they did with the dice . Everybody that tosses a pair
    of dice has exerted some influence on them
    people who are trained and practice can have even more influence
    over the outcome
    A person who has learned by one means or another how dice control works can learn to control the dice to some degree
    from the time they pick them up and throw them
    The amount of control from that point on till they
    come to rest depends on training and practice
    Dice influence , dice control call it anything you want it ain't random that's what matters
     
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  3. twodicebilly, Jul 13, 2018

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    I agree...…….A person who has learned by one means or another how dice control works can learn to control the dice to some degree
    from the time they pick them up and throw them
    The amount of control from that point on till they
    come to rest depends on training and practice


    and getting good or better is different for every player, there is
    no one upper level which can be done by all,,,,

    3 guys play golf three times a week yet one is better, that is life

    tdb
     
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  4. twodicebilly, Jul 13, 2018

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    if this is a mess i take my share of the blame I will try to do better because
    new players need a decent place to go

    tdb
     
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  5. tabletop123, Jul 13, 2018

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    Fair enough!
     
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  6. DeMango, Jul 13, 2018

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    They have good places already.
    Craps is physics and math.
    Go to Wizard of Vegas for math.
    Go to Heavy’s site for physics.
    Stay here for whine from the cheesehead.
     
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  7. Edward-ky, Jul 14, 2018

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    Anger from what you. You really are delusional and are clueless.
     
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  8. twodicebilly, Jul 14, 2018

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    One thing I have learned...you are not worth the time
    it takes to type anything.

    tdb
     
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  9. twodicebilly, Jul 14, 2018

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    First James is a big boy, he can believe what ever he wants.

    Second your BOhunk or what ever the hell challenge that
    was is exactly how I said you think of Dice control....whatever a
    player does has to be constant. …."dice control"

    Now I am not suggesting others that practice dice shots agree with
    me...more than likely not....but that's ok I dont think there are any
    constants in craps shooting, everything changes every time you
    go to the table....I do think that even as my shot or anyones shot
    changes a tad at each session, it can be similar enough to try to
    take advantage of.
    TDV you and I dont agree on this stuff and that is ok, I just think
    that is as clear as I can make what I think.

    tdb
     
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  10. TDVegas, Jul 14, 2018

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    Anyone can have any definition that they want. Truthfully, there is no standard definition of what constitutes dice influence or dice control. These are generic terms and it seems there is no universal agreement as to definition. Everyone has their own idea...including you, including James.

    Without constants on some level....I'm not sure how anyone can measure actual influence over flat out variance. Yours seems to be a personal standard as in "I know what I know".

    The bohunk offered several short and LONG term approaches over 1,000's of rolls if desired....there was no "sniping" as part of that challenge.

    My only contention is that if short term influence can not be measured....then I'm wondering how useful it can be as ALL our sessions are short term. What's being measured short term? Again, this seems like it's a "personal thing" and nothing that can be put to a confirmation.

    The bohunk came out of statement made by a dice influencer (JH) that he had the ability to roll an extra 6 in 36 consistently. 360 rolls. 720 rolls. Whatever the person wanted. As long as the final criteria was met....on average, an extra 6 in 36..he proved his mettle.

    Just for the record...there was a DI ready, willing and able to take the challenge.
     
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  12. twodicebilly, Jul 14, 2018

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    That di was not me.....for two reasons

    It did not appear to be on a table of my choosing and I felt
    and still feel that any results would have meant nothing to
    you, it would still be variance or luck.

    Here is what it boils down to, do you want to prove dice control for
    some reason or do you want to win.....

    I want to win. I dont care what anyone thinks about dice control...

    BUT....and this is a big but for me... when you get on a forum like
    this and guys that practice like I do throw ideas, their results and so
    on around.... you can learn something

    I dont see where that hurts anyone else, even if you dont agree.

    I do see your point, I see Tops, and Limans and James , each of us
    look at this differently....that's fine, the ribbing is fine, stuff that LID
    puts up is great even though there is a tad of his disbelief.

    There is one guy on here that has a bone to pick, and he does not have the guts to say it or even say who he is...

    As I have said you seem to have fun playing as you do and there are a number of guys that have fun with you...that is what life is all about....

    I have the same type of fun fishing, hunting, etc, I dont look to craps for that same type of fun, I try anything I can to beat the game,

    tdb
     
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  13. tabletop123, Jul 14, 2018

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    Now...THAT was a EXCELLENT post. I KNEW that YOU would FINALLY: Come around". Billy, I have been saying this for the LONGEST time....Do YOUR thing.

    Don't worry about anyone else, or their opinions. Here's the reality...no matter WHAT someone says regarding Dice Influencing....you have put in the time. The work. The sweat. The determination, so....your opinions SHOULD NOT sway, based upon your OWN " Hands on" experience.

    You have to do what works for YOU...even if it goes against " Conventional Dice Influencing theory"

    I'll offer THIS as an analogy....GTC advocates using the Hardways set. NEVER changing your Dice set when things are " Funky". They also advocate a 45 degree angle on Neutral bounce tables, & a 30 degree angle on Bouncy layouts.

    Now, I advocate the lowest toss that's acceptable for ALL tables...soft or hard. I say that if ya can toss em only 2-3 inches above the surface & NOT get a warning or be accused of sliding the dice....THAT'S the way to toss em. Why? Simply because a very low to the table toss restricts bounce.
    Now...who's to say who's right or wrong? GTC says 30-45 degree angle. Top says: " As low as ya can " get away with"! See what I mean?
    There is no right or wrong. Only what works best for YOU!

    However, I will make the argument, & can prove ( beyond a reasonable doubt) that very low tosses restrict bounce. Its just simple physics that cannot be denied.
    I'm not opposed to discussing, Dice sets, different tosses, betting strategies, etc.
    It's simply that I've been doing the Dice Influencing thingy long enough to differentiate between FACT & FLUFF!!!
    Telling an aspiring Di, Mechanical Tosser/Di that the Math of the game is NOT for someone that is trying to influence the dice is....well....just Stupid!

    The Math of the game is a reference point. Kinda like the title of a Book. It lets you know WHAT you'll be reading. However, HOW you choose to read the book is solely based upon the reader.
    The information gathered from reading the book is contingent upon the Reader also.
    The bottom line is this...some skill, no skill, precision tossing, wing & fling, high, low, stop, go.....we all want to win.
    Anyone that struts into a Casino THINKING...the math says I should lose...is just wasting their fu**king time. Ya might as well just mail your wallet to the Casinos, stay home, & polk the wife.
    VARIANCE allows for wins, as does Influencing the dice.....IF YA REALLY have the skill.
    So.....there ya go!! Top's " take" on things!
     
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  14. Twelve4s, Jul 14, 2018

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    I’d rather poke the wife. But I’ve never tried the polk thing? Is it anything like polka music or Polk salad Annie, gators got your granny?
     
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  15. The Midnight Skulker, Jul 14, 2018

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    Just act presidential and start a war. In my house acting presidential is not required; I don't have to do anything to start a war with She Who Must Be Obeyed. Wars are spontaneous.
     
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  16. yacraps, Jul 14, 2018

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    I read both these reply's and totally understand and resemble both of these deplorable posts :rolleyes: dang I gotta go see a consular
     
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    I see where this is going. You go on ahead; I'll catch the next handbasket.
     
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