Best way to bet on 6, 7, AND 8 at the same time???

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  1. TR31

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    Looking for constructive feedback, hints, ideas, etc. on betting on all three numbers (6,7, & 8) at the same time on any given roll.

    Btw, most people know I shoot Aruze Bubble Craps. This question came up in my group and I really don't have a good solution so I appreciate any "good" feedback.

    The problem with betting on the 7 either on the Come out roll or to 7 out is that there is no really good bet on the table. By really good bet, I mean low house edge.

    For example:
    - betting on any 7 pays 4 to 1 when true odds are 5 to 1.
    - hopping a 7 combination pays 15 to 1 when true odds are 17 to 1 (and to completely cover the 7, you need to hop all three combinations).
    - a Lay bet is true odds less 5% commission, e.g. $1 Lay bet on 4 or 10 wins $0.475 (Aruze Craps rounds up and pays $0.48) but loses $1 when the bet "settles".
    - the Come bet is a bad bet because when the shooter hits a box number, not only did the bet fail (to 7 out), now you are the underdog on that "point". Not only do you have more money at risk, but your hedge cost went up.

    For example, $1 on 6, $1 on 8 and $3 on Come bet. So I have $2 in the long position (6 & 8). If the shooter hits 4, 5, 9, or 10 then I now have $3 as the "point". If shooter hits 6 or 8, I win $1.17 but have $3 as the "point". The problem of using the Come bet for a 7 out is if you don't get the 7, you are screwed.

    Any suggestions?? Thanks.
     
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  2. Onautopilot, Dec 13, 2017

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    If you have the bankroll, and the maximum bet is high enough.....just keep betting the come, for an amount that covers what you have at risk on the table at any time. The eleven becomes a bonus.
     
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  3. Night Attack, Dec 13, 2017

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    What if you lay each number for the same amount that your come bet travels to . In your example just lay the 5 for $3. If the $3 come bet travels to a 6 or 8 then just increase the next come bet accordingly. If you hit a few of the larger 6 and 8 wagers (or repeating other box numbers) off and on then that may offset or help you finish in front on whatever edge you give up on the other box numbers when the seven out occurs. I've no idea on what that edge may be. Maybe you or one of the math guys can work it out.

    Edit......I,have no idea where I got the 5 from in your example, but you get my drift. Just lay the 4,5,9 or 10 for $3.
     
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  4. James Hall, Dec 13, 2017

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    what if you play the don't come for $6 then place the $6 on 6 or 8 and
    $5 on the 5 or 9 if they come up
     
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  5. Night Attack, Dec 13, 2017

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    Certainly another option but he'll need to hit a few numbers to cover any new DC bets. But if he gets behind a few numbers (or even one) then ceases any new DC bets he can't lose.
     
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    There is a regular at my local casino who bets $35 to $45 DP and then $10 (or $12 as appropriate) on the 5, 6, 8 & 9. If one of those numbers is the point, it is skipped. If the point is an even number, he'll bet a $5 hardway. So at a $10 table, he has at between $32-$44 in action with the dice and $35 to $45 against the dice, plus $5 on a HW if the point is an even number. He's looking for 2 or 3 hits (or more, which he views as a bonus) on the Place Bets and then a 7 out.

    You could scale those bets way down on an electronic craps machine and still be "properly" paid, which wouldn't happen on a traditional craps table. Perhaps something along the lines of $1 on the inside bets (excluding point) and a $5 DP. Surviving come out roll 7s/11s and points being made quickly is much easier on the electronic craps machine -- only $5 is at risk (compared with $35 to $45 on the traditional craps table).
     
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  7. HornHiYo, Dec 13, 2017

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    C’mon AssHall all. This is an opportunity for you to step up to the plate. So stop beating around the bush and explain to TR31 how to determine what the table is giving so he / she can get money on the correct number(s) right away.
     
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  8. James Hall, Dec 13, 2017

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    I'm going to be in Vegas for a few days maybe we could talk about this when I get back
     
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  9. James Hall, Dec 13, 2017

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    HOLEIN YOURHOLE
    Do you get many positive responses using this insulting technique or are you simply
    devoid of any social grace ?
    but at any rate I will be in Vegas for a few days
    Glenn needs a new BOAT
     
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  10. Night Attack, Dec 13, 2017

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    Sure. Always willing to listen to any sound advice.
     
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  11. HornHiYo, Dec 13, 2017

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    Take your time. I’ll be waiting to see your post on how to determine what the table is giving so TR31 can win.
    Or is this just another all talk but no can do?
     
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  12. James Hall, Dec 13, 2017

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    how about have him call me
     
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  13. James Hall, Dec 13, 2017

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    are you just trying to scam some free information
     
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  14. HornHiYo, Dec 13, 2017

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    There ye go ducking out AGAIN.
    I think you must have been the rodeo clown cuz you’re always dodging the horn.
     
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  15. James Hall, Dec 13, 2017

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    Ok you got me , get a hold of TR#! and tell him the best way to determine what the dice are giving him
    It has to be the dice , because you may not have noticed but the numbers are on the dice so very obviously you have to be concerned with the numbers on the dice
    So when you again talk to TR31 tell him that the table produces nothing , it's the dice we are concerned with as that is the tool we throw then when we throw them and certain numbers come up that is the vehicle by which we win or lose if we have bets on say the 6 and 8 and one of those numbers the 6 or 8 comes up then we would win a bet on that roll and likewise if we have a bet on the 5 and 9 and one of those numbers come up we would again win a bet
    So in order to win these bets we need to be on the numbers before and during the time they are appearing . The really tough part is to know when that is going to happen , most players will struggle with that for years trying to figure that out , some guys have even claimed they have
    the answer and they right books on the subject but in the end it turns out they really didn't know . A lot of people got screwed but the guy writing the book made a lot of money selling the books
    Well it turned out that a guy figured out a way to tell with some certainty how that was going to
    happen , how one number would be able to be detected before hand . In fact he was able to dtect whole string of numbers , he would write down 3 Numbers after watching a person throw 3 numbers and in that three numbers that were thrown at least two of the numbers he was predicting would appear Reginald Dorfendamper told me how he did it we went out to a small house he had out behind his house that his menials / servants lived in at one time ,
    we walked up to his craps table , he pointed at a pair of dice and said
    "SEE THEM"? , I said ya , he said
    "the way to determine what the dice are going to give you is watch them
    He pushed me out the door ans said , "now goodbye , don't forget what I told you"
    I never saw him again.
     
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    This approach does not work.

    Suppose I have $5 Place bets each on the 6 & 8. Because I want to make money if a 7 shows up, I need to bet more than $10 so I bet $12 on the Come bet.

    I roll a 5. Now the $12 bet becomes the point and I can't take down that $12 bet (btw, I can take down my 6 & 8 place bets)

    If I don't take any bets down, then I have $22 in bets working and my next Come bet has to be more than $22 to make money on a 7 out.

    It's pretty obvious the working bets would explode if I hit 4, 5, 9 or 10 before any 7 (although I make money on 6 & 8).

    I will put up a photo so you can see what I am trying to do.
     
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    Here's a photo to explain what I am doing. Basically, I got the idea to shoot the dice after my shoe-string bankroll trip. I couldn't believe how easy it was to pick up pennies per roll when I **wasn't** the shooter.

    So the light bulb goes on. How about shooting at middle numbers, the guts of the 36 dice combination. Basically I am shooting for a 7 but if I miss, I get 6 or 8!!

    image.jpeg

    I bet on the 6 & 8 and lay on the 10. I have 16 ways to win and 3 ways to lose. In the photo, you see I shot 12 x 6, 7, or 8 for 2 x 10 or a ratio of 6 to 1.

    If the dice were truly random, then the correct ratio is 16 to 3 so I did better at 18 to 3. I need to shoot better than 18 to 3 to consistently make money.

    How do you know that I have dice control?

    Easy, you run a chi-square test. Also keep in mind 16 divided 36 is 44.44% so 44.44% times 15 rolls is an expected 6.66 x 6, 7, or 8. I came in at 12 times vs expectations of 6.66 times in 15 rolls.
     
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  18. $nakeEye$, Dec 14, 2017

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    Looking at the photo that you uploaded I " ASSUME " that you are playing an " On Line " RNG craps game and NOT a " Live Game " -

    If so as the " Shooter " as you profess to be - WHAT - IF ANY - influence do YOU exhibit over the OUTCOME of the ROLL ?

    Do you Press the < ENTER > key with MORE velocity than normal when you think things are " Going Your Way " -

    OR - do you " Caress " / " Stroke " it - to put " English " on it ?.

    I think that your light bulb burnt out !

    BINGO has your name on it - bring your bell - ring it when the dealer calls " Under O - 69 " -

    And you will be right in step with the rest of the Old Ladies !

    Who have shriveled up and dried out puxxyx ?

    BUT - possess fond memories of years ago during their glory years !


    I think TDVegas is getting an erection when you so boldly exclaim that YOU are WINNING pennies -

    When YOU are NOT the Shooter !

    LOOK OUT - Red Rock !

    The $1 Doey / Don't PROFESSIONAL just might raise his stakes !


    $...eE..$
     
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  19. KokomoJoe4, Dec 14, 2017

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    I don't see any value in simultaneous wagering from opposite directions.

    This is gambling. Protect your assets by placing fewer wagers until/if you win, then bet larger when you are playing with house money.
     
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  20. Mssthis1, Dec 14, 2017

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    I agree.

    SIA's OHCM is your best option if you want to play both sides of the dice at the same time.
     
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