i "know" that you ardently, fervently, in the bottom of your heart ,maybe even religiously believe that you have an advantage but you do not know this...otherwise---and no offense intended---you are just plain stupid not being out there making that very nice living for yourself at an endeavor that is just plain fun... tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p[/QUOTE] You know Betweenthelines I really like your posts! I have to say I love the game of craps and the overwhelming edge that it has on each and every player that steps up to it's table. I don't associate myself with any religion but let's just say I'm a believer in advantage play albeit it difficult and grinding. I base that last sentence purely on my own experience at the craps table. I also don't consider myself stupid or naive but careful, cautious and rational minded with a twist of spontaneity. I also have enjoyed being a member of this forum. It's something I never intended on doing but I happened to run across in my down time while helping out an ailing family member.