# Baseball Analogy for Aruze Bubble Craps

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by TR31, May 26, 2018.

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I will use a baseball analogy to explain Dice Control on Aruze Craps. Ted Williams batted over 400 in the 1941 season (his battling average was 0.406).

He is famous for explaining his science of hitting and the following is a poster explaining his approach:
http://www.tedwilliams.com/_data/hzone.htm

In Aruze Craps, the player cannot:
- choose what pair of dice to use from a tray of dice
- decide where to stand at the Craps table
- pick up the dice
- set the dice
- throw the dice
- determine the amount of force use, etc.

The Player has control on one thing:
- When to press the button, e.g. when the dice are rotating and a “certain set” manifest itself. This IS NOT visual ballistics.

I have always stated (as general comments):
- shooting earlier is better than shooting later
- machine condition is paramount
- worn dice is better than new dice
- worn felt is better than new felt

In summary - when you look at the Ted Williams poster, it tells you what pitches to hit at. If you took the time to learn about Dice “sets” in Aruze Craps, you will spot high covariance between “certain sets” and dice outcomes. The BIGGEST DEFECT to my approach is that the machine must give me the “set” that I am looking for during the shooting window, and hopefully within the first few seconds.

Here’s why IT IS NOT visual ballistics (VB): if VB worked for one roll, then it must work for 2 rolls, 3 rolls, etc to as many as 15 rolls captured by the machine. Most people I’ve talked to using VB are into short rolls, not 15 rolls or more.

Another argument is if I get the set that I want, I don’t need VB. If the machine does not give me the set, then VB can’t help me. So I either don’t need VB or VB cannot help me.

Lastly, you will keep reading TD, the resident village idiot, use the past posting argument. My photos tend to have 15 rolls. That means I had to make 15 consecutive rolls within 30 to 40 seconds of each other, respectively. Logic dictate that is 15 consecutive past posting attempts but ONE photo. It’s always the people who cannot make 15 consecutive rolls (on a consistent basis) making some of the dumbest arguments.

I will be honest, IT IS A LOT OF PRESSURE to roll successfully in 15 consecutive rolls. Try making 15 consecutive free throws and see how many make it. It’s easier when I get into my zone, but fatigue also plays a role and then there’s always the element of randomness. Once I found my machine, it’s all about getting the “sets” that I want.

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2. von duck, May 27, 2018

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SOMEBODY GET A HOOK!

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3. Twelve4s, May 27, 2018

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I guess you don’t play these machines?

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4. eDiceGuy, May 27, 2018

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Another reason I prefer Interblock. No stress. and there is always several double digit rolls when I play. I just have to sit back, relax and when the 7's get hot, I just hit the Repeat button, throw a buck on Big Red and let IB roll away. It's the next best thing to having a highly trained DC shooter who makes the rolls for you.

Today I am off to Twin Arrows, AZ for another relaxing 4 hours with my favorite craps machine and a delicious hot beverage. I also have \$40 in Free Play, generously provided via the Twin Arrows member web site. And the Free Play can be used on Interblock. It should me a memorial weekend

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I am surprised that AZ casino lets you use free play on Bubble Craps. In every casino I’ve been in, they removed the ability to use free play on Bubbles.

Why you ask - people would play two stations: pass line / come bet on one station and D/P & DC on the other station (obviously, you lose on a boxcar). Some people also take Odds so that \$40 in Free Play gets used up quickly and converts into immediately into cash.

And lastly, more power to you if you are content with \$40 in free play. Unlike you, I worked very hard and want my thousands in Free Play per month.

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8. von duck, May 31, 2018

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Now it's thousands huh.This is too much. This site is an asylum.

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VD, you are such a lovable dotard.

For May, I posted two photos worth at least \$925 in Free Play. I posted \$525 so far for June. Image what would happen if I posted a \$500 free play offer — TD would have a coronary.

Perhaps your math skills have abandoned you. And you were such a good bloviator.

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10. eDiceGuy, Jun 1, 2018

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To the best of my knowledgeTwin Arrows is the only Casino in AZ, with bubble Craps, that allows Free play on the Craps machine. This was not always the case. I think it is fairly new, perhaps earlier this year.

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My understanding is that the free play is not available as Cash until a certain amount of play has occurred on the machine. If you spend the Free Play it cannot be converted to Cash unless you win an equal amount or until you begin accumulating points again. Don't see any advantage to the player here. I am sure the casinos are happy that a player is playing two machines.

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12. eDiceGuy, Jun 1, 2018

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Actually, I am content with my \$40-\$50 of Free play per week. As you can see below, it takes about 28000 credits to get \$50. I do not earn this by playing the bubble. I play the Free online games every day to earn my Free Play.

In fact, I have a total of 300 points since playing the bubble for more than 3 years at Twin Arrows. On the other hand, my wife has earned thousands playing slots. So if you are getting thousands in Free Play then you must be playing thousands on slots. More power to you, my friend

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Saying I get my free play from slots is a dumb comment. Slots have say a 10% hold or 90% payback as a general comment. It makes little sense to lose \$1,000 to get \$100 in free play. This obvious point escapes low IQ people like TD et al. I play Aruze Craps and lose about \$30 for every \$100 I make. The free play from mailers is gravy on top.

I don’t need to run a lot of points because I play during promotions or I found the Aruze machine in the right condition. For example your 5X point promo is something I would target.

For the past two months, one casino is giving me 2% free play on my coin in: I run \$100 through the machine, and I get \$2 in free play. So you can see, I don’t need to run that much coin in to get a decent free play amount since the ratio is 1:50.

I checked on your casino and there are great games there:
http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/twin-arrows-navajo-casino-resort

And the slot reward policy is:
http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/twin-arrows-navajo-casino-resort/club

My advantage over people like TD is I know how to exploit the slot reward club & marketing offers. The punchline is I posted over a year that I getting great mailers but no one said anything then. Now when I am posting photos, they are jealous.

Again, getting free play from slots is stupid - you lose too much money in the process.

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14. von duck, Jun 1, 2018

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For some reason, when I read a "TR31" post, I get the feeling that I'm watching Kevin Nealon, doing "Subliminal Man" on SNL. Something not natural about the way TR31 works the words "Aruze Bubble Craps" into his spiel. One more thing, l can guarantee you that he cannot alter the drop of the dice, in any predictable way. This guy seems to show up, for no other reason, than to bring up the subject of "Aruze bubble Craps". Is it just me?

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My growing bankroll says you are full of bovine manure and your guarantee is meaningless.

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16. Twelve4s, Jun 1, 2018

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Have you considered the possibility of TR31 being a North Korean agent?
I did notice his use of dotard to describe you.

VD, you are such a lovable dotard.

We all know you’re a duck, not a dotard.

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17. von duck, Jun 1, 2018

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You claim the ability to throw 6s & 8s, practically at will, and yet you are unable to make money on your bets? You're entire concept, is completely asinine. The only reason I can find for you're posting, is for you to find a way to work in the words, "Aruze Bubble Craps", which you do in a very awkward way. No, there is something to what I'm saying, you are not what you portray yourself to be.

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18. von duck, Jun 1, 2018

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I have not considered that TR31 is North Korean, but I have considered that TR31 is Twelve4s. I believe that "dotard" is a word that only a "dotard" would have in his vocabulary, so I will not add it to mine.

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19. Twelve4s, Jun 1, 2018

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Ok Harley, carry on without an expanded vocabulary. It serves you well.

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