Bankroll... Craps

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  1. SevenOut, Aug 30, 2018

    SevenOut

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    I always play to win. The Full Monte System, always. (Somewhere on this Forum.)

    My Bankroll is $100, $200 or $300. I play $5 and $10 tables. (A $3 table takes too much time to make a reasonable profit in a reasonable time frame.)

    I always limit my losses, not my wins.

    This Bankroll is my Craps Bankroll. Lose it all, I quit. Bankroll... Craps.

    If I am down and recover with a profit... I am inclined to quit and leave the table.

    If I win in the short run, I am inclined to play longer, then playing down to my Bankroll, rethink if I have had enough time at the table to be content or encounter another winning streak.

    I wager with anyone who is shooting. A DI 'suspect' are tough, as they may be shooting for different outcomes than I am wagering. I then look at what the wagers are at THAT END of the Table. (I may be prejudiced, but not Stupid.)

    I believe those who use the Come for Post Point Action, need to talk to me before the Session.

    I never criticize another player's game. It is his Bankroll at risk. Not mine. It is in bad taste. If I know this person, I may ask WHY, later? The answer may clear up my understanding of WHY.

    Bubble Craps is just as variable as a 14 foot Craps Table. Less so at a 12 foot table. A capable DI at a 10 foot table might just have a good run. Yet to be seen by myself.

    When you are a competent player, do not claim Years of Play. It must be done in Sessions or Hours, at worst. I never judge a pilot of an aircraft by Years... but by Hours on the Stick. Practicing at a home Craps Table does not count.

    The confidence of most Players weaken... when they have their money at risk on a table. You can blather all you want before or after you play... but the acorns are counted during Play.

    I am, of course, trying to toss out ideas that can be run through the washing machine, or ironed to fit your style.
     
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  2. SevenOut, Aug 31, 2018

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    I can see there is no 'stink message' on this subject. Good, it means you can take a second look and work out some actual game plan.

    Lets look at it this way.

    If someone gave you $500 to play at any Craps Table, but needed to run at least $500 of action within the first thirty minutes... would your System or Game Plan change?

    Damn right it would. But then, you are confused with HOW to WAGER and keep track of Chips Played and Chips Won in the process.

    You move the $1 chip into play into your chip rack. It is your... marker.

    I have watched more Players lose their diapers playing NO POINT, but covering all the Box Numbers. It is a terrible idea. I suspect a DI had better be confident that it works, otherwise this wagering would not show up on this Forum so frequently. But... never in print in a Pencil pushing Mathematics book or website.

    I watch these same guys PRESS on a Win, and never recoup their initial Bankroll off the table.

    You WANT to take more risk on the Table's Bankroll, that you pull off while hitting some numbers. The table has $10,000 or more in chips at any time. You have whatever is or was in your wallet. The table's Bank will eat you alive over time, as they work on the Dice's HA percentages that are like gasoline in your mini-Cooper. Once you are out of fuel... you are done and looking for a ride home.

    Serious thought is hard to imagine, when many prefer to piss on each other.

    I would 'wager' that the majority of members on this Forum are totally different people when not posting. I would not treat someone's cat this bad, even though there are too many cats, and too few recipes, in my opinion. But that is my only quirk at the moment.

    Watch the shooter that is snuggled up to the Stickman like they are bed partners. There is your DI. Watch their wagering and make a mental note of outcomes. If the DI shooter is competent... you may wait out a few shooters and hope this shooter is able to hang in there, before every chip is lost to the Corporate Casino's retirement funding.
     
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  3. twodicebilly, Aug 31, 2018

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    The bank roll thing has sorta been a mystery to me.

    At the first classes it was indicated save your money and get
    maybe a $10,000 roll. then you can withstand the ups and downs.
    Then plug your winnings back in the bank roll so as time goes on
    you can increase your starting bets.

    The bad thing is it is not hard to have a losing span and take care of
    that $10,000. So you say well maybe $5000 is enough and so on.

    It is not always the bank roll, it is the personality of the player, to a very
    conservative player $10,000 is a lot, to a gambler not nearly enough.

    It seems to boil down to the more money you have, the more you want to
    bet and the more you have to win to be satisfied.

    I have changed my mind on what is best for me.....the fewer dollars
    I have in my pocket, the better I play. So I no longer allow it to build up,
    like last night, I bought in for $300, cashed out at $1300. That $1000 went to my wife already for our March vacation... what I dont have I cant lose .

    Then some nut job gets on here and says well you dont have confidence you
    will win next time..... well I have lots of confidence, but I know from experience
    the money won at a casino and used at home will not get back to the casino.

    tdb
     
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  4. KokomoJoe4, Aug 31, 2018

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    While a $42 bankroll is fine for some, I almost always use $300.

    However, since I will never leave with less than $100, you might say my BR is $200. I don't worry about the semantics here, since I prefer to always leave with at least some of my buy-in.

    I am not interested in having the casino know anything about me, and for this reason never buy-in large and never look for any comps.

    Your strategy (and in fact everyone's strategy) is more interesting than mine, since when playing the Do, which amounts to 99% of my sessions, I am on one bet only, either the Pass or Come, since it is obvious to me that multiple bets will be lost all at one time.

    When playing DC, I will make it DC's, often getting out on 3 or 4 of them, trying to win them all at one time.
     
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  5. SevenOut, Aug 31, 2018

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    KJ4... you are one of the few taking on the least amount of risk.

    Once that additional wager is made, the table's HA begins to get more impressive.

    I am with TDB with which pocket you keep your hand out of. My life will not change if I win $10 or $50,000. I still will take up the Buy One get One Buffet, Senior Monday 50% off Buffet, $4 or $5 free play at a Video Poker, $4 movies on Wednesdays at Stations.

    I was going to chain saw my 14 foot table as it would not sell on Craigslist Denver for $1200. I tried to give it away, but then the phone rang and it took five of use to load it up onto a flat bed. I needed the room in my garage, for other worthless crap. I miss the table, but under a bunch of plywood and cartons, it was taking up more space than my Tundra pickup.

    Craps should be considered... recreation, without paying Out of State fees and licenses. Wyoming fishing for Out of State is $115 for a year. Fishing at the Jackson, Wyoming fish hatchery... OK, but if you catch anything over 15", some rivers you have to do a catch and release. That would be like a Casino requiring wins over a certain amount be tossed onto the table for others to use...

    I have used up all of my comps for shooting Craps. It took awhile. I use to get the $10 match coupon on any even money wager. Not my kind of action... but I am probably up a few bucks.

    I will try the Don't Come at Railroad Pass occasionally. You can play with $25 for some time at a three dollar table. You need some caffeine to stay alert, but if I make a couple bucks, I go to the Video Poker or Keno and put myself into a trance. New players have no clue what you are doing, which makes it more interesting.

    Well... waiting for my trailer's brake shoes to arrive today. Then we can get the Hell out of the cooler Mohave Desert and into Wyoming to get some more time standing in a river...
     
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  6. twodicebilly, Aug 31, 2018

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    You need to do what you want, but if my choice is the craps table
    or the river in Wyoming...…..that is no choice at all!!!

    I understand now that a couple of these are going to see me as a loser at
    craps when I head for the river.... but

    When you get to be my age, you only got so many more rivers to fish, fish
    everyone you can


    tdb
     
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  7. SevenOut, Aug 31, 2018

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    My problem with Craps and a Bankroll.

    If I win, there is not much to think about. I quit and leave when the goosebumps are gone. Which is sooner, than later.

    If I lose. Especially with a $300 Bankroll at a $5 or $10 table is another story.

    - I begin to think how many gallons of Diesel would take me in my Ford.
    - I begin to think of the two to three fresh doughnuts with omelet at the Station Casino's Buffet.
    - I begin to think of when I was young a bought a 1956 VW, making payments on $395.

    - I begin to think of....

    Well... now I begin to think all of these things, BEFORE I step into a Casino.

    I can put $40 in a Three Hand Video Poker, get $5 match play,, 5 cent x 18 for the Wheel of Fortune Spin, catch one or two beers for a couple bucks, get the Four of Kind if it is my lucky day, get my Spin... cash out and go do something productive. Like Shoot the BS on the Craps Forum.

    Now I get an email from the El Cortez in Las Vegas. Yep remember that $200 going so fast I had to pinch myself thinking it was a bad dream. Well, it wasn't. But the Cortez use to be a real dump. Now... with my help... it is larger and nicer than ever. I even hired a couple who the husband dealt and taught Roulette, and the wife dealt and taught Blackjack at the shop in Missouri.

    So, everything works out if you have a good attitude.

    If you, otherwise, have a bad attitude on the Forum... you make typos, misspell words, ramble on about dice are eccentric obsessive one thing or another, your mathematics is basic 1 + 1= 5 and have a picture of yourself with a cardboard cutout of a (tdb... what is it, a Northern Muskie or Mohave Desert Pike?) and other unorthodox statements about NiceSuperRick and Liman .

    Well, we are off to Railroad Pass just outside of 'saintly' no gambling Boulder City. We each have $20 burning a hole in our pocket. A small pocket... but do you think I really give a flying bird hooter that is on your hat? Not today.
     
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