# Attacking the 6 and 8

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1. CrapsSchoolowner, Jan 13, 2015

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Have you ever felt like Godzilla ? You are so pissed off ... you just want to crush and destroy ?
Today it's your turn to take their money because you are Godzilla.

You're not going to play the 6 and 8 ... NO NO NO ...
You're going to attack it !

This is a strategy that a top level player might make. It's a play that might last less than 5 minutes or as little
as two rolls of the dice. The object is pick your spot and fire away.

NO WHIMPS BEYOND THIS POINT

First the dynamics of the play:
5 ways to roll a 6 ... 5 ways to roll an 8 = 10 winning combinations
6 ways to roll a 7= 6 losing combinations
Consider 10 ways to win and 6 ways to lose when betting both 6 and 8.

AFTER THE SMOKE CLEARS
You don't have to win \$5,000 in 5 minutes before you cash. Just walk
winners. It's why you came. Be on your toes ... because when the Sixes and the Eights are showing
and the dice are passing ... It takes very little time to win money.

ABOVE ALL ELSE AND MOST IMPORTANT .... When you walk winners you may
not have won the war but you did win a battle. And the night is still young.

The Play: This is a strategy played by many top level players. It's not complicated
or difficult to understand. But it’s important to follow the correct progression.
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Place the 6 and 8 for \$12.00 each when either number hits toss the dealer \$5.00
and say "all the way up, dollar hard 6"

You now have a \$30.00 place bet plus a \$12.00 place bet and a one dollar
hardway (\$43.00 in action) when that same number repeats ... take the same bet ...
you win \$35.00 you're still up on all your place bets and you may have hit the hard
way.

You have \$29.00 invested in the play. You have \$35.00 back and have recovered
your original investment. The money you have in action (\$43.00) is yours that you
can press ... or take down at anytime. Reaching a \$300 bet is the ultimate prize but
walking away winners is what’s important.

Here's the progression on this play.
from \$30 press to \$60
from \$60 press to \$120
take the same bet at \$120 ( you win \$140 )
from \$120 toss the dealer \$40 and say go to \$300.
Hit that bet ( win \$350 ) and take all your place bets down. Just say goodbye.

Check out my post "Fools Rush In"
Don't blow off your cash playing this game stupid.
You will read several posts deriding this very solid play. Don't be misled by people who don't know the game. Read more about wining and losing on our website here

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and what are you saying or doing that isn't common knowledge to any entry level craps player?
bet 12 dollars six and 8s, press to 30, yeah, this is the first bet most new craps players learn.
goal is a 300 dollar six and eight?
why don't you fill us in just about how many times starting with 12 dollars pushing up to 300 happens?
Come on, lets try to not reinvent the wheel here.
Everything works well for you if your numbers come in.

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3. KokomoJoe4, Jan 13, 2015

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or, for that matter, what is done about the fact that the underdog '7' has a nack for appearing before the six or eight ever show? This has a tendency to sour one's opinion on "The Play".

When discussing placed bets, what to play depends mostly on how your house of choice rules are set up. When you can stretch a buy of the 4 or 10 up to \$39 and pay vig only on a winner, you have a house edge only half that of placing a 6 or 8. Why place the 6 or 8 at all?

In the end, it's a matter of thought, choice and luck..

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4. bleeckerboy, Jan 13, 2015

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I use the \$24.00 place bets (\$12 each on the 6 and 8) but I try to wrap up a profit on a number then either press or start dropping come bets or PL with odds

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5. Dogalot, Jan 13, 2015

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On a random table - just played said layout (\$24 out on 6/8) - didn't get one time pay on 5 times out. Yes - waited for 5 "on" turns / placed the \$12 on each 6/8 --- no pitches afterward made a hit of the 6 or 8 before the "inevitable"...(7-out) - what is the strategy after that?

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6. TDVegas, Jan 13, 2015

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At least you're on the 6-8 where the house edge is ~1.50%---the hard ways for \$1 will bump it slightly higher. You're still going to get whacked on the 7 outs---losing \$24 or \$43 if you can't hit 2 numbers before 7 out. I've played long enough to know that damn 7 finds a way more than you like---unless of course you are on the don't.

Any strategy will work IF your numbers are hitting. With any strategy, give it a shot and see what happens. My Debbie downer here is any and every strategy works from a negative expectation for every wager. Regular weekly, Twice weekly, 3 time weekly players...from January to December play will likely find their wallet lighter using this strategy.

I still like the don't pass with odds. Can be tiresome and boring but you've got the best bet in the casino. Once you get past the come out roll...you now have the advantage the casino uses to beat pass players and everyone else betting numbers.

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7. TDVegas, Jan 13, 2015

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That's disappointing. Hardest thing is getting ahead early so you can start pressing. Right out of the gate you got whacked with the 7's. F'n timing is so important in craps. Bad luck.

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8. TDVegas, Jan 13, 2015

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You do understand the dilemma with this statement? If it was that simplistic, why not add bets for the 5 and 9 and make it 18 ways to win and 6 ways to lose?

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9. KokomoJoe4, Jan 14, 2015

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Better yet, also add the 4 and 10, play the C & E and hop the reds- can't lose, right?

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10. CrapsSchoolowner, Jan 14, 2015

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11. CrapsSchoolowner, Jan 14, 2015

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I don't think you read what was posted. This is not a play for whimps and I stressed .... cashing winners is what's most important not reaching a \$300 bet.
I want to stress to ANYBODY READING THIS ... If you don't have the balls to press up a place bet you should be playing slot machines. You don't win money playing craps without taking risks. FORGET THESE GOOFY SYSTEMS AND STRATEGIES. Get down to basic ... pick your spots and fire away.

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12. CrapsSchoolowner, Jan 14, 2015

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You can make those bets ... But they're all pretty dumb. Only monkeys play C & E.
Think about it ... Do you win more money playing 3 way craps ?

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13. KokomoJoe4, Jan 14, 2015

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Personally have NEVER placed such a bet owner, but do on occasion pitch out three reds to hop any seven coming out.

Was just agreeing w/ TDV that if you have EVERYTHING covered, you have a guaranteed winner, which will often be a financial loser.

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14. CrapsSchoolowner, Jan 14, 2015

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I can't really follow your thinking on buy bets. A typical 4 and 10 buy bet starts with a \$10.00 place bet. When either number hits ... you tell the dealer ... buy it for a quarter. The vig is 5% and is determined on what you might win if the bet hits NOT THE BET ITSELF.

You don't win money playing scared worrying about the 7

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15. CrapsSchoolowner, Jan 14, 2015

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You're right there ... when you're making too many bets ... you're betting against yourself. It's like betting a horn bet ... You're paying money on 3 guaranteed lock synch losers.
Your idea of playing a 3 way 7 is poor. You have much better odds on the come out playing 3 way craps.

Don't piss away your cash playing this game stupid.

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16. CrapsSchoolowner, Jan 14, 2015

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Nothing wrong with doing that.

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17. basicstrategy777, Jan 14, 2015

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I think you have the vig on the buy bet confused with a lay bet.

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18. CrapsSchoolowner, Jan 14, 2015

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You need to understand more about table selection. ALL CRAP TABLE ARE NOT EQUAL.
Some are hot ... some are cold ... some are choppy. You have to be able to recognize each. NEVER PLAY ON A COLD TABLE OR A DEAD GAME. The reason why some tables are empty of player is simply because the dice are cold and not passing.

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19. CrapsSchoolowner, Jan 14, 2015

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No No ... I'm not confused. It's juice. It's 5%
Also .... NEVER NEVER NEVER lay the odds. Always take the odds but NEVER LAY THE ODDS.

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20. TDVegas, Jan 14, 2015

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The betting strategy isn't bad, but suggesting on your site that this strategy will provide you with an income stream, is at best irresponsible and at worst, a lie. It's still a negative bet every single time.

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