Article obliterates dice control

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  1. Twelve4s, Jun 9, 2018

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  2. eagleeye2, Jun 9, 2018

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    von duck,

    Wow, even von duck appears to have succumbed to the Rhetoric flowing on this thread???

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  3. TDVegas, Jun 9, 2018

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    Everyone is subjected to same house edge on their bets. Everyone is subjected to the same win a loss rate? No. Its dependent on betting strategies. The ONLY "same" from player to player is that the wagers are exposed to the same house edge. (Eg. 1.52% on place 6)
    Your wagers are subjected to the same house edge as everyone else.
    Since we play relatively short sessions....your statement is ridiculous.
    Yes, that is a fact. There is no betting system that will overcome the house edge on ANY and ALL wagers.
    No one goes into the casino saying "I'm going to lose". Stop lying, Jimmy.
    Sense rarely makes sense to the senseless.
    Little hope? Ridiculous. The margin for craps is razor thin. More lies from you that you say players go in with "little hope".
    With your strategy...ask yourself. We know you aren't making bank. metadata aside...when was the last time you were in Vegas? Your picture suggests December 2017. That's 6 months ago! LOL. you're a "player" alright.
    Nonsense. "Ain't happening"...? Those are your words. Of course it can happen.
    100% true. There is NO "betting system", "wagering system" that overcomes house edge.

    Just correcting the record of false statements from you.
     
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  4. TDVegas, Jun 9, 2018

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    That is true.

    Repeating a lie over and over and over....will not make your lie true.

    It's simply repeating a lie. Trolling too.
     
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  5. James Hall, Jun 9, 2018

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    Correcting false statement , good try but more of your bull squash
    To begin with your meta data bull plop is way off base
    I posted that picture of me outside of Red Rock in response to your post , You said if you have a picture of you at Red Rock , post it
    I posted it , I did not mention when it was taken , I merely posted
    it at your request , then some genius starts that meta data
    crap
    The rest of your post here is simply hog sqwat in some
    feeble effort to save face for your distorted efforts at misleading
    people
     
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  6. James Hall, Jun 9, 2018

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    Read your post above
    I posted a picture of me in front of the casino then you guys
    start all this meta data crap , I did not say when it was taken
    I simply did as you requested , I posted a picture
    Now what????
     
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  7. James Hall, Jun 9, 2018

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    Would that be based on expected outcomes?
    Only if my outcomes remain as expectation suggests
    I expect something entirely different than you do
    Not at all your expectation of the game as an unskilled player
    is where things get rediculous
    The element that is absent in your game as an unskilled player
    is the ability to produce those additional numbers when needed
    and the skill to tailor a betting strategy to capitalize on those additional numbers
    Another feeble attempt at spinning a meaning into a statement that the statement was absence of when posted , the falsehood was yours
    I didn't say anyone goes in "SAYING I"M GOING TO LOSE"
    I said they go in EXPECTING to lose
    Why do you insist on these little falsehoods you conjure up??
    Gawd I guess and in your desperation you are getting even worse
    Many players on this forum go into a game , "HOPING TO WIN"
    and with very little of that at best
    You know no such thing and you know it
    The picture WAS taken in December , I never made any statement
    about when it was taken , you said
    "If you have a picture of you at Red Rock , post it"
    I have several , that was one with the sign
    I posted a picture as you requested and now you want to
    make it out to be some great conspiracy , There is
    something seriously wrong with some of you people

    and you are right "I AM A PLAYER" and a damned good one if I do say so myself , WELL TRAINED , I MIGHT AD
    Nope not my words That is a term used by table top and you on occasion
    Exactly and is exactly why you and others go into the game expecting to lose , You need MORE THAN A BETTING STRATEGY
    and you JUST AIN'T got it , you don't have that second element
    it is woefully absent from your game
    although you FLATLY REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT'S EXISTENCE IN THE GAME OF OTHERS
    You await with baited breath the arrival of others with that element
    to arrive and provide the necessary rolls by which you can win

    You have corrected nothing but at least you mad an effort to
    cloud the issue , to no avail I might hastily add
    Carry on however , there are those on this board who delight in your constant onslaught of negative trivialities
    They are of no value other than the comic value they provide
    It has been fun

    WHAT ELSE YA GOT HOT SHOT
     
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  8. TDVegas, Jun 9, 2018

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    Not "only"....House edge does not change. Period. You may OVERCOME house edge thru skilled play. You do not change it.

    Because a player rolled an extra 6 or 8 in 36 rolls DOES NOT mean he has changed the house edge on those wagers. It does not change.

    Your innumeracy is ridiculous.
     
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  9. James Hall, Jun 9, 2018

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    As much as you would like for people to believe there
    was a lie there , there wasn't , another of your disingenuous
    spins to mislead people

    I posted the statement
    "Those people will tell you there is no betting strategy
    that will beat the game , I didn't dispute the statement
    I mentioned it , I even agree with it , I point out
    that it takes more than just the betting strategy , you need that second element . Your game is devoid of that second element thus
    the reason why the game remains , for you , a negative expectation game
     
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  10. James Hall, Jun 9, 2018

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    Some fine art work there , what does the meta data indicate ?
    I'll bet it comes back

    Location:
    "Photo was taken in a restroom

    Time
    "Immediately after urination
     
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  11. James Hall, Jun 9, 2018

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    Overcome , change who cares ??
    Why do you stress yourself over such minor details?
    The only thing that changes is the fact that the
    HOUSE EDGE becomes totally IRRELEVANT
    It is not that I don't understand the numbers , I DO
    It's just that , "THEY DON"T MATTER"
    Not only do THEY NOT CHANGE
    THEY don't CHANGE ANYTHING else either
     
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  12. eagleeye2, Jun 9, 2018

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    TDV,

    What; you claim that that Shooter that Consistently Rolls Fewer (7's) than that magic (1 in 6) #, has not altered the House Edge @ CRAPS???

    I'd bet that virtually Every #'s Odds of Hitting have Changed for that shooter; that ""CAN Consistently Roll fewer (7's) than that Statistically established # of (1 in 6)!

    Now, all here KNOW that you claim that cannot happen. Yet a few appear to have mastered DI, to the point that it DOES HAPPEN.

    Sorry to BURST your Bubble TDV.

    eagleeye2
     
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  13. DeMango, Jun 9, 2018

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    The casino makes money on short paying winning bets. Period. TD’s bubble has not been burst, someone’s innumeracy has once again been highlighted! Duh!
     
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  14. von duck, Jun 9, 2018

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    The "house edge" is determined by random dice rolls. If a player rolls something other than "random" then, the house edge would be different. A 7 magnet like yourself, would be bucking a much larger house edge, than normal. It would depend on the persons throw. This is why a casino would balk, if they thought you were truly a "DI", because it changes their edge. Understand? :)
     
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  15. von duck, Jun 9, 2018

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    You are full of shit, and just plain wrong. EE2 (whoever he is) is correct. A player that can "DI" will alter the house edge, at least on his throws.
     
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  16. TDVegas, Jun 9, 2018

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    Another perspective on the viability....
    Bryce Carlson...excerpted.

    Full article linked below.

    Now, over the last five years a number of serious, legitimate researchers, including Stanford Wong, myself and others, have sought to determine the truth about so-called AP craps. Some of these researchers have hoped to show that craps could be beaten, and some have just been intellectually curious. But, regardless of motive, all of them have diligently searched for the truth.

    Now, because simulations of precision shooting at casino craps are not feasible, these researchers have generally utilized carefully monitored casino sessions of statistically significant duration with recognized "professional" p-shooters, as well as slow-motion videos of such experts throwing the dice on regulation craps tables, to obtain valid useful data. The results of such studies have been telling.

    Virtually without exception, with the monitored "professional" p-shooters the larger the number of trials the more random the results appear (with each die face converging on a random frequency of 1 in 6). And with the slow-motion videos, it is obvious to everyone viewing them that, no matter how good the throw might look at normal speed, in slow motion it is apparent that a huge amount of uncontrollable randomizing occurs.

    In fact, in February, 2009, Wong stated in a post on the bj21.com craps page, in referring to the results of slow-motion video studies of skillful throws, "The truth is, there is much bouncing around, even in dice tosses that look great at real-time speed. Watching slo-mo video of dice tosses can be discouraging, and can be harmful to sales of dice books and to sales of dice-tossing instruction. (James Hall won't like that)

    No one viewing such videos would ever disagree with that. So, while it is true that no one study is ever completely conclusive, over a five-year period the evidence has piled up as study after study by capable researchers has consistently pointed to only one conclusion: Real-world casino craps cannot be legitimately beaten -- by anyone, anywhere, at any time. And the exponential, amping nature of kinetic energy is the fundamental reason why.

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/entry.php?59-Why-Casino-Craps-Can-t-Be-Beaten-by-Bryce-Carlson
     
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  17. DeMango, Jun 10, 2018

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    Nok Tang can now sleep easy!
     
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  18. James Hall, Jun 10, 2018

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    You can't seem to get anything right ,
    James Hall absolutely loves this
     
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  19. James Hall, Jun 10, 2018

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  20. James Hall, Jun 10, 2018

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    the casino makes money by taking a small part of each of your wins
    then when you 7 out , THEY TAKE IT ALL
     
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