Are Some Few Posters Ruining It For Others?

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by FrankScoblete, Jun 10, 2015.

  1. TDVegas, Jun 18, 2015

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    You lost me. Bet according to those previous results (meaning those previous results will somehow have a bearing on future rolls/spins?). That simply doesn't allow for short term variance.
     
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    Precisely. Whether it is a marble or a die, any roll is an independent trial. It has no bearing on the next number and no body can predict the next outcome based on the previous outcome.

    Yeah numbers can be recorded and players can see similar outcomes over so many rolls. Sometimes the tracking strategy just happens to coincide with the next number and then some players like to think they know why. But often it does not and some players like to not think about it.

    But whether the tracking results coincide with the next roll or not, it is history. It does make for a fun game to play while trying to predicting the next outcome and it helps make the game much more exciting for some players.

    But it really does not matter how the roulette wheel spins, how the marble rolled, or the numbers that showed. Nor does it matter how the dice are thrown, how the dice rolled, or the numbers that showed. All number results are totally independent of the next roll.
     
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  3. Pressit, Jun 18, 2015

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    It is called change. It is not right, it is not wrong, it is just different way of doing the same thing. If it works for you it works for you, if it doesn't it doesn't. If you are style is making money for you, then stay with it, however if not you may want to keep an open mind to see what else is out there. For me and some others here on this blog, that change was Linaway, it was LJ. Your results may differ.
     
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  4. superrick, Jun 18, 2015

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    Now this my be a little overboard but it goes to show you that they will ban someone for getting lucky. Remember I did say it was over the top!
    Don Johnson beats the house (and get banned)
    This story is brought to you By John Katsilometes, Las Vegas Sun

    http://lasvegassun.com/vegasdeluxe/2013/aug/19/don-johnson-beats-house-and-get-banned-few-million/

    I've seen players getting lucky and they got banned playing red chips on the don't side of the game. I also know a a few slot players that had a great run and got banned form playing. It's called stupid management! Why would you want a lucky player that won money off you going to a different casino, their luck is going to break!

    Nobody that sets the dice can stay under the radar, it just doesn't happen! Casinos do like winners and will run them off. Don't kid yourself, if you are a local!
     
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  5. TDVegas, Jun 18, 2015

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    Ok, but this is a blackjack story on a whale where I presume the concern for Caesars is card counting or some other method of advantage play that they have a concern. When I see 1 single story like this about a craps player..I'll take more notice of DI.

    The DI's here are $10-$20 players...

    They aren't flipping around choolate chips.
     
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  6. superrick, Jun 18, 2015

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    That story had nothing to do with crap, but it did have something to do with banning anybody. Johnson is not a card counter, while he is a whale it still doesn't change the fact that when you are winning the casinos do not want you playing.

    Heavy still has his day job, now why is that, could it be that he knows there is no way that he could make a living at playing craps?
     
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  7. TDVegas, Jun 18, 2015

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    He's not an "anybody". This is a man who runs a company that develops wagering systems to beat the horses. I suspect there is just some "concern" that he knows how to utilize that in some way or another. He was also getting a discount on his losses. He could lose 500k in chips but only 400k in real money. With enough play, waiting it out and some photographic memory skill---I just assume Caesars doesn't want the risk. This man is not an anybody.
     
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  8. FrankScoblete, Jun 19, 2015

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    Early on in the play sessions, his "loss return" gave him an edge. But the longer he played, the more his edge became reduced. Still, he did hammer them.

    As for dice controllers being banned. I'll send you a free copy of my current book and you can see for yourself what happens.
     
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    Greetings Frank:

    In response to your opening post #1....,

    Wherein you stated:

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    "I get about 12-15 or so emails a day, which is not a lot when you consider how many casino gamblers there are in America (about 54 million!). I try as hard as I can to answer each and every one, although I am now refraining from responding to the Ploppy posts with their assaultive language and their pretense that they know things of which they don't. ...

    ... one email stayed with me...

    ...The individual asked if some other individuals have screwed up message boards by being constantly negative and attacking. He named names. (I won't.)
    It might be true.

    I find myself thinking that the two sites on which I post tend to be dominated by certain folks; those who harangue about the same tired things over and over until other posters get sick of them and move away...

    So is this e-mailer right? Are some individuals making it annoying and then prohibitive to bother to post? Is that why many message boards are dominated by and subsequently ruined by certain posters?

    I keep thinking I should go back to my pattern of not bothering with any of this stuff. Am I right?" End Quote.

    I am sorry to say that: to a greet extent you are right and the "e-mailer" who asked this question to you is also right.

    Those that do as such, as described in the e-mail you received..., I believe do so for any number of reasons.... which, almost always includes: not accepting their own fragile existing in this our brief journey of "life" on planet Earth.

    I suggest they do a reality check....

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    We all have lit a match..., at one time or another:

    It flickers and explodes into life from the onset..., (as we do as children and young adults...,)

    then it stabilizes and burns bright and consistent ... (as we do in our middle age.)

    then it begins to dim and the flame starts to fade until the flame is extinguish and the only thing remaining is a smoke trail (the memory of those who knew us while we were alive on Earth)... and then, in a short time, even the smoke is gone.

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    That is basically what our entire life is, a flicker of light, for only a short moment in time, and then..., our life on Earth is over.

    We have a "Super-ego"... that suppresses this reality, but instead... lets us embrace the superficial "image" we present...a total delusion..., but the reality never changes... .

    I am stating this not to get people depressed about the reality we all must certainly face..., but to encourage them to appreciate every day, every moment... that they have been given while they are still alive in this, their brief span of life they have been allotted. (kind of like the song: live each day as if you were dieing).

    Once people can appreciate "life", then they can start appreciating other people they share it with.... ...in this our brief moment in time.

    Other than that, Frank: you and I, as Christians, have only one option...to pray for them.

    Best Wishes,

    Obie1
     
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    oh boy o boy o boy.....

    now on a craps board the religion topic is brought up.

    DOES NOT BELONG HERE, no references to anything religion belongs here.

    prayer for someone because they don't see eye to eye on a product you are trying to sell on a internet craps board?
    isn't that stretching it a bit.
     
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  11. TDVegas, Jun 26, 2015

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    I agree. Not in this fashion. How does he even know Frank is a Christian? or religious?
     
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    Oh boo hoo.
    I feel so sorry for him. The poor guy can only fool some of the people some of the time and just can't figure out how to fool all the people all the time.
    Swindlers stoop to low, low levels and have no shame. Apparently now is the time to introduce religion into the mix in hopes of recruiting help passing the plate. Now there's a Strategy!
     
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  13. Onautopilot, Jun 26, 2015

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    He maybe read Frank's books. I read two of them, and he mentions his faith. But I agree with the religion thing, not really appropriate here. But one could say that there are many things that could be deemed not appropriate here. :)
     
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    OK,

    I'll cave on this one, perhaps religion doesn't belong on such a vain venue... .

    But, a sales pitch..., I don't think so.... .

    I have documented donations to various charities throughout the years of over $800k.

    As far as I'm concerned, If the spirit (inner feelings) moves you: buy the Strategy, if not: then don't buy the strategy..., it means little to me one way or the other.

    But either way, I wish only the best to all forum members and guest,

    Obie1
     
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  15. Onautopilot, Jun 26, 2015

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    Some of the comments on this thread are a bit like the "Shotgun Approach"......just pull the trigger, you might not hit the target, but you'll damn sure hit something! But, wouldn't be a craps forum without the "random" discourse! :)
     
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  16. DeMango, Jun 27, 2015

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    Just checked Amazon and our famous Catholic authors book on the subject of being wayward is on sale for 1 cent. I assume postage is added.

    I am impressed by anyone who makes donations the size Obiewan speaks of. Assuming tithing and multiplying by 10 makes one quite an income over the years. So no need to be a system seller of sorts. Point in his favor.
     
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  17. Harley, Jun 27, 2015

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    .... and another Captain is born
     
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    Yes, postage is $3.99. Talk about being deceptive.
    Fred
     
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  19. Onautopilot, Jun 27, 2015

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    Not sure how they ship it from that site, but Frank sent me a free book, and he paid the postage, priority mail I think, and as I remember, it was close to that amount. He has sent me several of his books, and I enjoyed reading them. I didn't much care if what he wrote was not exactly how it happened, figured he was just telling it how he remembered it. :)
     
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  20. FrankScoblete, Jun 27, 2015

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    I'm not selling the book for 1 cent and when I say I am giving it away I usually do pay the postage. Whoever is selling for one cent is not me. But I would be happy to mail anyone my book The Virgin Kiss and I Am a Dice Controller: Inside the World of Advantage-Play Craps! (While supplies last.)
     
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