Are Some Few Posters Ruining It For Others?

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  1. FrankScoblete, Jun 15, 2015

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    I do take full responsibility for trusting Dom. His statement that my book is fiction (if he made that statement) then also includes the scene I wrote that you were in. Is my description of you and what happened that night fiction as well?

    I call my wife the Beautiful AP in private too. We've been together 30 years! I am a lucky man.
     
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    Frank:
    Bail out of this mess! You'll never get a fair shake here.
    Give the BAP a kiss and giggle all the way to the bank.

    Fred
     
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  3. Pressit, Jun 15, 2015

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    Fact, fiction, novels, non-fiction.

    "Oh what a tangled web we weave
    When first we practice to deceive."

    Sir Walter Scott

    So has everything you have been told is a lie? No, after all we are know this is a game of negative expectations. You can't prove a negative, but 2 negatives equal a positive.
     
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  4. TDVegas, Jun 15, 2015

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    That's enough.
     
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    Harley,
    That's it? He got greedy and told tall tales? Other than that you agree lots of his work benefited most "Advantage Players"?
    What happened to the "on-axis don't work!" theory that debunks on-axis shooting based on high speed videos posted showing on-axis dice do not stay on axis?
    That theory implies everything Frank published about shooting is BS because his shot is all about on-axis shooting fluffed up with "tall tales" of millionaires.
    According to videos posted dice shot on axis do not stay on-axis offering players no advantage.
    Frank and all of his clients and students shoot dice on-axis.
    Therefore, Frank and all of his clients have no advantage and it benefited no Advantage Player.
    However, if Frank's on-axis GTC shot did benefit players as you suggest in your post, then players shooting on-axis have an advantage.
    Players that have an advantage are Advantage Players.
    Line for line in the Craps Shooter's Bible, your buddy the Mad Professor assembled as much, if not more definitions and explanations of craps play and on-axis shooting as did Frank in his books. Perhaps he too should be acknowledge for his elaborate on-axis works benefiting Advantage Players as well. Or not ....?
     
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  6. 50/50

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    Yew! There is some kinds of play I just do not need to read about from Frank!.
     
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  7. Harley, Jun 15, 2015

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    50/50 - you make some good points, but don't go putting words in my mouth :p I never said anything about Frank's on-axis dice teaching benefitting Advantage Players - that too is a tall tale with a tail IMO

    Both Frank Scoblete and Mad Professor have laid down some very basic fundamentals that would benefit beginners and novice craps players on their journey to becoming an Advantage Player -- that includes table discipline, basics of dice sets, rhythm rolling (the key behind any toss IMO), how to chart rolls with chips, etc.

    However, either their egos (insert Mad Professor - SRR of 28, Macau trip, etc.) or greed has led to unnecessary embellishment.
     
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    Harley,
    Thanks for clarifying that because "what you have done in the Craps world was a benefit for most Advantage players" can be interpreted many ways including the shooting.
    It appears "they" collected, polished, and published existing information post Yuri and maybe Sharpshooter. Really not much new "laid down" by either one except for the "tall tales".
     
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    I haven't been around for a few days, but Ive been reading this thread, and I know as a non participant of all the boards except for this one, Im betting posts like these about each others past b;usiness history, whatever, a lot of people might enjoy, I am not one of them.

    I don't buy into what a lot of people post or believe in, or promote, but if they are successful and/or have figured out how to profit on something(that is not illegal or rubs me the wrong way), who am I to knock their success.
    I do not have to buy into to anything they are selling and they will never make me believe what they are promoting, but others are interested, and its non of my business how others care to spend their money.
    And I don't care what others choose to read.

    My Bil is an avid golfer, and he sits for hours and watches the golf tourneys on TV, and for me, its equivelant of having a dental appt.
    But there are 30 million americans glued to the tv to watch golf tourneys, so they are doing something right.

    if a bunch of people want to take di classes, or whatever classes are being offered, go for it.
    once I cant get a valid explanation or demonstration of something, it isn't for me, and if they post here, I think they should expect criticism, especially from non believers lilke me, but should not expect to be called names, or attacked personally.
    And, they in turn should never attack anyone who doesn't believe what they are selling or promoting, simply because we say we don't believe it.
     
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    A la Laurel & Hardy: Now look what you've done Frank!

    Fred
     
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  11. TDVegas, Jun 16, 2015

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    Yeah...that Frank!
     
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  12. The Midnight Skulker, Jun 16, 2015

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    Hear, hear! I find this thread itself proving the premise that started it. Anyone remember the following?
     
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  13. Pressit, Jun 16, 2015

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    Isn't this similar to, heads I win, tails you lose sort of thing. You are first asking for a valid demonstration, but what exactly would that entail, where would that take place, who is going to oversee this demonstration, who will act act as the witnesses? What exactly are you expecting to see, learn, duplicate? You then go onto say they, the believers, should expect criticism from the non believers, but what is it you don't believe? Then you finish up with, they, "the believers", should never attack anyone who does buy into what they are promoting. DI isn't anything new most serious and not so serious crap players practice a form of DI for many years. And you are correct that we should refrain from attacking and calling names, after all we are adults, but as I am sure you know there is never a lack of internet courage.
     
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  14. KokomoJoe4, Jun 16, 2015

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    If you want to know how to quickly and correctly identify axial outcome of each and every roll of the dice, talk to Linaway.

    Assuming you are able to identify the shooters starting set, often more difficult to determine than his/her outcome, there is no doubt as to whether or not results are on axis.

    True determination of percent on axis will depend ONLY on how many varieties or what type of permutations of the original set are allowed to count as being on-axis.

    Guess what? Depending on the above-mentioned allowances, an "expert" shooter as well as a random one will show between 2% on-axis (where only the specifically pre-set axial array showing at outcome counts as on axis) to as high as 16.7% on-axis (where any variety of the pre-set axial array counts as on-axis).

    If 45% on-axis is being "observed", it is likely that the observer is either deceived by the outcome result, has concluded his determination after far too few trials, or is blind.

    I play with no advantages and with no skill, but do enjoy the fact that I know what the dice tell me, even though this information is always after the fact. If nothing else, it has taught me when to get off place bets, something I had never known when let alone how to do.
     
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  15. DeMango, Jun 16, 2015

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    [QUOTE="TDVegas, post: 64607, member: 176848"You know she's beautiful, we don't have to constantly be reminded.[/QUOTE]
    Sorry, pictures or it's another piece of fiction! If by any chance she indeed has some beauty, I don't blame Frank for bragging, he could break a mirror at 20 paces!
     
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    , is this kind of back and forth continuously flowing from craps board to craps board?


    I would like anyone who claims to have an advantage over a casino resulting from the way they throw the dice to show me a few consecutive rolls where they hit 12, 14, 16 numbers before hitting a seven.
    And betting on those numbers, as if they expected to hit them.

    Show me some consistency, show me they actually have influence over the outcomes otherwise without consistency isn't it all random?

    I don't expect anyone to have a 46 roll hand when I watch them, and them to say, ok, this one will be a 6, this one will be a 6, this one will be a 4..............I just want to see a longer roll with some type of consistency.
    That's good enough for me, and if it so happens they were lucky that day, wont matter, for me, 3 different hands, of long rolls, make me believe.
     
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    I have a bunch of Tom Lehrer songs. Never heard this one. He was a gem!

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  18. FrankScoblete, Jun 17, 2015

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    Liman: I saw the Mad Professor roll four times in a row, all rolls over 14. He made a believer out of me.

    Super-person: They paid you off because we know the Mad professor is a fiction writer.

    Liman: No, I really saw this.

    Barley: You saw positively biased dice, not real advantage rolling.

    DeMissive: Scoblete is a lying idiot and his wife isn't beautiful...if he even has a wife.

    Super-person: This is all a plot by Heavy. How much did he pay you to create your own fiction Mr. Lie-man?

    DeMissive: Scoblete gets on my nerves. I don't care how many people he lists in his books, even giving their real names, who knew the Captain, they are all fiction.

    Liman: What has Scoblete got to do with this? I'm talking about the Mad Professor.

    Super-person: Who doesn't exist.

    Liman: Doesn't anyone believe me?

    Barley: Who are you that we should give a darn about your biased opinion?

    Super-person: In fact Lie-man, we don't even think you exist. You are a sock-puppet of Heavy's.

    Liman: Won't someone believe what I saw?

    DeMissive: Go ask the Captain to believe you because I don't think you exist.
     
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  19. KokomoJoe4, Jun 17, 2015

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    Liman was gentleman enough to pick up a perfect stranger who stepped off the Long Island RR and transport him to Aquaduct, so I'm pretty sure he exists. Also played with him in Vegas 4 or 5 times but was in a fog the entire time there, so it could be my imagination.

    For you guys who like to critique his style of play and his thoughts on DI, whatever. He plays the game smarter than 99.5% of the players I have seen play, and there is no magic involved with his play. He has stated that he is ahead of the game over a lot of play. This is no small feat, and it is obviously due to conservative play that knows exactly when to become aggressive.

    As Sam G says, one big winner makes up for a lot of losers.
     
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  20. TDVegas, Jun 17, 2015

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    I have no doubt Liman is a nice guy..he sounds very sincere. I can also absolutely recall at least one post, if not more, stating that he is down thousands over his craps career---not ahead of the game. Maybe he can clarify.

    I would have to look thru the history but I know I can recall him stating ~50-60K or thereabout over his career
     
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