Are Some Few Posters Ruining It For Others?

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  1. FrankScoblete, Jun 10, 2015

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    I get about 12-15 or so emails a day, which is not a lot when you consider how many casino gamblers there are in America (about 54 million!). I try as hard as I can to answer each and every one, although I am now refraining from responding to the Ploppy posts with their assaultive language and their pretense that they know things of which they don't. ("The Captain is not real. The Captain is not real." Even though Satch, the youngest member of the Captain's Crew, met hundreds of students when he taught in GTC. They asked him all sorts of questions. He answered.)

    But one email stayed with me. It was a response to my latest article about website message boards. The individual asked if some other individuals have screwed up message boards by being constantly negative and attacking. He named names. (I won't.)
    It might be true.

    I find myself thinking that the two sites on which I post tend to be dominated by certain folks; those who harangue about the same tired things over and over until other posters get sick of them and move away. I also realize that for (some reason or another) some sites won't allow me to post. (One inter-nut recently stated that those sites are the elite group.)

    So is this e-mailer right? Are some individuals making it annoying and then prohibitive to bother to post? Is that why many message boards are dominated by and subsequently ruined by certain posters?

    I keep thinking I should go back to my pattern of not bothering with any of this stuff. Am I right?
     
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  2. NewrollerFB, Jun 10, 2015

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    Frank,

    I am fairly new to the game and got hooked the first time I played....I then researched everything I could about DI and betting....I read and watched everything I could....people have different opinions about...everything.."DI is possible", DI is BS", "betting strategies do or don't work".....I was so amped about learning the game I built a table for my game room to practice and have fun with the guys when they came over for a beer and watch the game....I value everyone who has some knowledge to distribute and teach...and that is what you do...some people have a stick up their butt no matter what some people say....I posted a session I had on a sight and was basically called a liar because I said I rolled 3 hard sixes in a row and I hit an all small, all the while using dice sets and trying to hit those numbers....why should I lie? And, honestly I couldn't give a rats ass whether someone believed me or not, I was just excited to share my fun and experience. I had a good night and walked away with a nice win..isn't that why we are here? to help others and encourage them....to show that winning can be done at the casino? Your posts give insight....who cares if some people post crap about your posts....your videos on youtube were some of the first ones I watched when I started learning about DI and they helped me get started....everyone on these boards should distribute the knowledge and experience they have and wish everyone luck....the annoying people? screw em.....keep doing what ya love.....I appreciate everyone who teaches me new things, and I just scroll past the trolls.....misery loves company and that's all they are looking for...other miserable losers who want to bring others down...keep on keepin on.....if it makes you happy, do it...if it stops being fun, then stop...just my 2 cents
     
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  3. Harley, Jun 10, 2015

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  4. Onautopilot, Jun 10, 2015

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    Internet forums are definitely not someplace that the timid or meek should participate in. If someone's self esteem and self worth are so fragile that a few sticks and stones sends them running for cover, they need a self-help forum, not a gambling / craps forum!

    People read, post, and participate in forums for many different reasons.....some like the recognition, some like the verbal sparing, some enjoy the discomfort of others, some have nothing better to do, some think they have a message to share with the world, some have something to sell (including themselves), and there are even those that are truly interested in sharing constructive thoughts with other intelligent human beings. Many other reasons I'm sure, but most probably fall in those categories.

    I see myself in many of the categories I mentioned, at least at times and in part. If it ever becomes something that I do not enjoy participating in, I will do other things....I would imagine on here, just as in all other venues, there are people that rub each other wrong, so be it! People have a choice, or choices, exercise those choices!

    I am personally happy that there are so many different realities operating here, heaven forbid that everyone thinks like I do! I share stuff, I learn stuff, I laugh at stuff, and yep, I throw some sticks and stones on occasion, and if people ain't quick, and fleet of foot, they aught not make themselves targets! :)
     
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  5. The Midnight Skulker, Jun 10, 2015

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    IMHO spam will kill a forum much faster than trolls. I think this is what happened to Usenet: the signal:noise ratio in the newsgroups I frequented degraded to the point of intolerance for all but the hard core cadre, who themselves eventually moved on in search of intelligent life forms to talk to. The problem is that Usenet has no designated administrator, meaning anybody can post anything to any-(or every-)where. Although most newsreaders (e.g. News Agent) provide sophisticated filtering options the burden of defining the filtering criteria is borne by the user, and as we have seen here spammers can get past even the best trap that is left unattended.

    Privately run public forums (Now there's an oxymoron!) do not have this problem, and I have nothing less than the highest admiration for our administrator, Jacob, for his spam-sniping vigilance. Censorship, which is basically what he's performing, is a very slippery slope: one reader's spam may well be another reader's information. Similarly, what is abusive language to one reader may be words on tablets to another reader who agrees with them. Caveat factor. If you don't like what someone posts don't read it.

    My one disappointment with this forum is its lack of filtering functionally. Yes, it does have the Ignore option, but IMHO that is using a sledge hammer to kill a mosquito. I use it as a last resort: when I really do not care to hear anything a particular member has to say. I much prefer to ignore irritating members informally (i.e. not reply to them) since they occasionally write something of interest.

    Every newsgroup and forum in which I have participated has had its core membership, those who have been around a while and post frequently. I suppose it's inevitable, then, that opposing cliques will form and wage war at every opportunity, including some they fabricate out of thin air.

    I consider you a valuable addition to this forum. Obviously not everyone here feels that way, but I hope you can deal with that as I have despite your much higher profile.
     
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  6. Bases loaded, Jun 10, 2015

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    This is the only craps forum I have joined.

    I didn't even notice all the different forums before this year. I lucked out in finding and joining this site. I have now been reading the other forums, and I think I can say this is the best of the sites.

    I see the debates, arguments, name calling, and 'gun fights' of which Frank S. speaks.

    They don't bother me. In fact, I sometimes enjoy them. In every post, sometimes buried down deep, is a belief or a passion. I like to read stuff people truly believe in and are passionate about.

    Yes, I sometimes cringe at the ad hominem attacks. But I'm a grown man so I can take it.

    Frank, you have too much to offer to this and other sites, so please work out a way to handle the detractors. Either through confrontation or ignoring them; just keep posting.
     
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  7. $nakeEye$, Jun 10, 2015

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    I guess one has to ask oneself -

    " Was the beautiful AP right - AGAIN ? "

    If ALL else fails - ask HER -

    SHE will set YOU straight ! :)

    $...eE..$
     
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  8. Onautopilot, Jun 10, 2015

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    I keep thinking I should go back to my pattern of not bothering with any of this stuff. Am I right?[ QOUTE

    I enjoy your posts and comments, and enjoyed the books. But if you are not enjoying the participation in the forums, that is a question you have to answer for yourself....but of course you know that. :)
     
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  9. Grizzoola, Jun 10, 2015

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    This, indeed, is a good craps board. I read it for information to decide my own play strategy and for the many entertaining insights more experienced players cite, here. I spend a lot of time, here.

    Domineering posters and flaming posts occur on other Web boards. It's a Web board fact of life. If you don't like a post or thread, move on.

    Frank, whether or not you want to post on this board means nothing to me. I only know you are a best-selling author about gambling and craps, and that you promote DI. I have no interest in DI.

    It seems to me that you come on here to promote your books. If you choose not to post here, I have no problem with that.
     
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  10. 50/50

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    Yes! You are right as surely as the Captain made Millions and as surely as you made money selling to ploppies, random rollers, chicken feeders, and other people you label in your works.
     
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  11. superrick, Jun 10, 2015

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    Frank you could have ended this long ago, but you never did, now if your saying by your post that everybody should stop questioning you about a roll that can't be proving I for one do not know what to tell you. I still say that craps players are like old women, they love to talk about the big rolls that actually happened.

    You don't think for one moment that everybody is going to stop questioning about the great captain and the roll that can't be proving do you?

    Most players will buy into your story because they don't play the game but a few times a year, they do not know how social the game is with local players. These guys love to talk and none of them have every talked about the Captains great roll. Your in the business to sell books, we all know that, you sold the concept of becoming a so-called DI, with GTC. You claimed that there were shooters that were making millions by playing craps. The guys that play all of the time know that if your winning all of the time the casinos will ban you. That doesn't mean that because you were banned for teaching in a state, that you were banned for your shooting or all of the money you took of the tables.

    Your story about being banned was always very vague, nobody knew the real story. Then to add on top of what you have written we have the great fiction writer the Madprofessor that has been writing his stuff for around 30 years and no one has every seen him in a casino. I'm going to refer you to this story that just broke, to show how anybody can get away with writing fiction till someone question it and doesn't get run off by all of the name calling that these guys do.

    We are not getting paid to dig into all of the writers that make outrageous claims to fame on these craps boards, trying to sells something, be it themselves or DI schools or books. How do you think it would be if we were getting paid to get to the bottom of some of these stories?

    I often wonder if that will happen to a lot of the stuff that I've read on craps that just doesn't hold up when you put a time line to it. Or you play in some of these casinos that our great fiction writers write about!

    Park Avenue memoir discovered to be full of lies

    Sarah Hagi, Special to National Post


    Sounds like something the Madprofessor has been doing for years, but every time I catch him in one if not all of his little 'Fairy Tales,' his follows just say its not so, they need their hero to justified how they are playing craps. Hell doesn't everybody need to try the $204 across to get their butts kicked?

    http://news.nationalpost.com/arts/books/park-avenue-memoir-discovered-to-be-full-of-lies
     
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  12. FrankScoblete, Jun 11, 2015

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    Superrick, where am I talking about the Captain's roll in my post? I was talking about how a few posters can repeat over and over and over again the same stuff all the time and how such posters can (perhaps) ruin message boards by carrying their arguments from one board to another to another.
     
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    Do you want cheese with that whine? You make this feces up, you get called out on it once you left your mamas house and you complain about those who know, that you, the emperor, ain't wearing any clothes?
     
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  14. betwthelines, Jun 11, 2015

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    No.
    No, Frank, you are not right: please continue to post here...and i say this while in fundamental disagreement with much of your stuff...we are mostly adults here...while "elite" may not be exactly the right word, this site is the "free-est"...no one is banned here save for (i speculate) perhaps racist etc hate speech or incitements to physical violence and even then not without appropriate warning(s)...this is one of the most attractive features of this site...
    tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
     
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    Just don't bother with posters that always try to tear down other people's beliefs or who are self-proclaimed protectors of "the truth".
    You don't deserve the criticism you get here.
    Keep on posting and don't respond to the dead horse beaters.
    Fred
     
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    I see nothing wrong,(actually should be expected), with questioning content of posts one finds fabricated out of thin air without anything substantial to back those claims

    this is a chat board, and if anyone wants to make outrageous or unbelievable claims, if they don't expect to be called or challenged on those claims, they are very foolish.
    There would be no board or members would leave quickly if nothing was questioned.
     
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    Pot, kettle, black.
     
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    With endless books, systems on DI, the exploits of the masters, the braggery, the winnings, dedicated websites, forums, etc....I'm still waiting for 1 single uninterrupted video that shows me dice control or influence on a real craps table.

    I will always question the skill until in fact I can see it in action or some video of it or some evidence beyond a book written about it.
     
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    When Pigs Fly!
     
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  20. The Midnight Skulker, Jun 11, 2015

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    And how do you know that what Frank writes is organic waste material? My interest is much more than merely to see if my flamethrower still works; you are claiming to have proof of a negative (i.e. that something does not exist), and by all the laws of logic that I know that is impossible!

    Your allusion to the Hans Christian Andersen documentary is inappropriate; the ruler in that report could be observed and therefore confirmed to exist, and so his attire (or indecency thereof) could also be observed objectively. Had the emperor chosen to remain secluded whether or not he even had new clothes could not be observed objectively.
     
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