Anyone ever tried to bet the Marty in the field.

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  1. offaxis, Feb 5, 2016

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    Just wanted to know if anyone ever tried it. If so how many progressions do you use till you lose or what is your win walk away. I know it's a very volatile. Some times when I am at the table I play it in my head and seem to do well; but I do not have the courage to actually try it.
     
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  2. Harley, Feb 11, 2016

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    Jessss ... the rest depends on your bankroll and table limits
     
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  3. offaxis, Feb 11, 2016

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    Well I am thinking waiting for 2 non field numbers then go from there. Maybe a bank roll of 1200 on a ten dollar table. That would give up to nine tries.
     
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  4. driglaz, Feb 17, 2016

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    Chasing a field of dreams - you could do the same progressions on the pass or don't pass with higher probability and better odds. It will take a hell of a lot longer in time but would be smarter bet if your going to leverage Marty Money....
     
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  5. Mugs050, Feb 17, 2016

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    I have done it with similar bank roll as your planning and not waiting. I worked a 7 stage. Myself and two buddies played for 8 hours straight on the same bankroll probably getting up over 50% a few times but we were having fun/greedy and lost it all in the wee hours of the morning. We were on a 2x on both 2 and 12. I feel with how the dice were rolling we could of doubled our bankroll with a 3x on 12. It's an exciting profitable game. I think a realistic safe goal is winning 50% of your bankroll. Anymore then that and your risking a losing streak taking you out.
     
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  6. Mugs050, Feb 17, 2016

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    PS Sim your strategy. I think you will like what you see.
     
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  7. optimist415, Feb 18, 2016

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    I have read of many guys who use simulations to test ideas. What software are you using to do the sim?
     
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  8. Mugs050, Feb 18, 2016

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    I know lots of people use Win Craps. I personal use the Wizard of Odds V2 craps simulator. It seems to be fair and unbiased. I have certainly lost my share on it.
     
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  9. offaxis, Feb 18, 2016

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    Well I need to re-build my bank roll before I try it. If i do ever try it Iwill let everyone know How I did.
     
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  10. driglaz, Feb 18, 2016

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    it seems this system is more about risk and gambling and the rush one gets than a logical approach to playing craps. if this is your game why not put the money on red or black in roulette?
     
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  11. Mr7-11, Mar 21, 2016

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    Agree. Whatever your system for playing the field, try it on the passline where the odds are much better.

    Interestingly enough, I got into craps when a college friend suggested we go to Atlantic City so he could try his "keep playing the field until you win" system. I was only familiar with how to play the pass line with odds and won some money. He lost his bankroll.
     
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  12. driglaz, Mar 21, 2016

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    i think tons of people have tried this method and are no longer crap players because it is a looser system and most cant BR it and those who can BR it wont win because of table limits....

    So many tried, many failed, and i bet a few went broke trying...

    Good Luck playing that field....you'll need it..
     
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  13. Mugs050, Mar 21, 2016

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    You need 7 rolls, at least 3/2 on 12/2 and the stomach to lose your bankroll. So your looking at $5 min table and $650 in cash. Also you can be clipped anytime but play for +/- an hour and get out of there. It's a fun way to play of you can stomach the odd big loss. Action every roll. Run the sims on wizard of odds v2 craps it works not as bad as everyone thinks.
     
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  14. driglaz, Mar 21, 2016

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    For the new player, the field is exciting. it takes so much space on the table... but those 5, 6, and 8's won't pay even on long rolls. Using the iron cross may impact sessions depending how it works for you but might cut into your profits if your landing 5,6 and 8's. I don't know about what you see at the table vs your simulator but the frequency of 3/2 and 12/2 vs 5, 6, 7, and 8 isn't close...This is why the odds are the odds and the field bet is still around.....

    besides the Big 6 and Big 8 has anyone seen bets removed from the table over the last decade?

    back to the field.
    I have seen people drop a black chip & and even a stack of black chips and win or lose and walk away. every now and then you see people chase the loss with a big field bet. sometimes they win sometimes they lose. But it is fun to watch. The excitement of someone who puts a stack in the field and lets it ride on the one roll is intense.

    its a gamble and people like to gamble (especially in casinos) On the other hand when you see people flip out with joy, excitement, screams, and high-fives all around over a $1 hard 10 win what's the difference if they flip-out over a field win...
     
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  15. rudeboy99, Mar 21, 2016

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    Martingale Field bettors were once fairly common...I think they all died or killed themselves when they lost a grand or two and and discovered even if they got lucky and got out of the game intact that it was only to win the original $2...
     
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    Factoring in the 3X pay when 12 rolls and 2X when aces show I've always ciphered that the house has about a 5% edge in the Field. I realize that is very simplistic and welcome one of the resident math people to set me straight with the correct figure. I've got a feeling I'm close, but not spot on. That said, throughout my career I've regularly witnessed players that weren't the least knowledgeable of the intricacies of the whole concept of the game involved, and with just a bit of timing and ice water pumping through their veins, take a smallish buy in and run it up to a really respectable winner...I'm talking $50 into 5K...$20 into $1200...the secret, if you can call it that, is letting a Field winner ride once or twice, then taking it down, maybe starting over with 2 units...I'm not saying to reinvest the equity in your house or nothing, what I am saying is I see frequent winners...predominately by players knowing Jack shit...:cool:
     
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  18. basicstrategy777, Mar 22, 2016

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    For those players that don't know Jack shit.....




    777.
     
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    Paroli is way better then marty. Positive progression over negs. Less expensive, rewards more.

    My mod paroli is almost fibonaci: 1unit, 1 unit, 2 units, 3 units,5 units, 2 units, 3units, 1 unit. Wins 10 if complete, can only lose on the first bet.
     
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  20. betwthelines, Jul 27, 2016

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    HE for the most common field where both 2 & 12 pay double is 5.56%...where one of them pays triple HE is 2.78%...yes this much maligned bet can pay better than most place bets...

    HE on the mythical layout, rumored to have been available briefly at some places, where BOTH pay triple is 0% (the Tough Craps player's absolute dream layout, satisfying all three of his session objectives near perfectly)

    'pilot has mentioned in passing his double secret strategy that incorporates a modified marty in the field, i do believe, & played only on layouts where one of the outliers pays triple...

    ...and which he declines to reveal onna public forum...his claim is the math indicates a much better than 90% win rate and, if i am understanding correctly, he has not yet hit the wall, ie a personal win rate of 100% so far...the big risk for many frequent but small wins that virtually defines "martingale"...fingers crossed...

    next i meet up with him i plan to buy him a few beers and see if i cannot get him to reveal the play...AGAIN! since if i am not mistaken, he did try to explicate it for me once but i was too bleepin' full of myself to pay attention!!

    tom p
     
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