Another Successful trip to Vegas

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by gargoil, Aug 11, 2015.

  1. $nakeEye$, Aug 16, 2015

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    TT123 -

    Happy Birthday -

    Unfortunately, today is NOT February 29 -

    You do NOT look a day over 27 years old from MY KEYBOARD and / or monitor :eek: -

    Also, it's a good thing you shoot pool and craps -

    And do NOT attempt to count cards at the BJ table ! ;)

    OR - you achieved the ripe old age of 54 -

    Either way -

    Avoid the BJ tables ! :)

    $...eE..$
     
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  2. tabletop123, Aug 16, 2015

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    Hartzehn 22, this is what I've tried to profess to other DI's all the time. You can have the Best Looking toss, & STILL end up losing. You've got to get lucky Too. A good toss with Bad Luck= a "Dead Broke" DI. The ONLY thing a DI can control is the Mid-air rotation, & where the Dice Land. Anything after that is Pretty much a Coin Toss. Sure, you can restrict bounce & rollout from the back wall to SOME degree. You'd BETTER be lucky too, with that well Versed Toss. I believe in DI'ng & I know it works FOR ME!!! However, I do realize that it NEVER works to the extent that I want it to, & it's NOT a "On Demand" skill. I know that you can toss the Dice perfectly & still lose. I've done it MANY times, only to be forced to End the Session because of poor results.

    You're talking two sharply squared cubes being tossed 8-9 feet into a pyramid that is PURPOSELY designed to THWART a controlled toss.Then you have all of the different underlay that is designed to enforce a Random outcome. Yeah, TDVegas can be a pain in the Ass, but let's give him credit. Casino tables are NOT designed to aid Influenced tosses .That is the FARTHEST thing from the truth. You never know how your tosses are gonna Result in, no matter how beautifully you toss the dice. It's ALWAYS good to have confidence, but NOT to the point wherein it becomes stupidity.Like thinking you'll never have short rolls, bad Days, or PSO's. As Scoblete says: Dice are like children. Sometimes they Misbehave at the most inappropriate times!!!
     
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  3. tabletop123, Aug 16, 2015

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    Thanks Snakeeyes! I had a very enjoyable Birthday, just surfing the Internet. Wife is out of town until tomorrow evening. The Kids & Grand Kids sung "Happy Birthday", so I feel like a Real champ. Had another Forum member call me & wish me a Happy birthday. We can all disagree at times, but overall I think we are a Decent bunch of guys trying to figure out How to win more & Lose Less in the Casinos. Certainly nothing wrong with that!!!
     
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  4. tabletop123, Aug 16, 2015

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    Forget the black Jack. I just recently learned my multiplication Tables, So counting ANYTHING is a grave impossibility, & Memorization was never one of my strong suits. Hell, I didn't even remember that Aug 16th was my Birthday until the wife called this morning & said:" Happy Birthday Honey"!" Time to wake up & get your Lazy ass out of Bed". "Stay out of that Damned Garage tossing those Dice, & do something Productive for a change". I replied: "Your absolutely right, Honey". NO dice tossing today". I'll just practice my dice sets, instead". LOL
     
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  5. $nakeEye$, Aug 17, 2015

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    :)
     
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  6. Pressit, Aug 17, 2015

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    The true value of any art form -- whether it be music, painting, flower arrangement, sculpture, or Judo -- is that it has the goal of discovering and developing the true potential within the artist.
     
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    Yes I can totally appreciate what you are saying. Pyramids, underlays and in my opinion (the dice) can be disadvantages to a DI that doesn't respect them or see a difference in them from one table to the next. If I don't factor in these variables when I shoot, my margin of winning consistently is close to impossible. There are many times when I shoot that I am breaking even, slightly under my bankroll or slightly over. After working the table for multiple throws and not seeing any real influence, I will stop shooting. I make every effort to avoid black holes because with trial and error through manipulation of the dice and trying to determine table reaction, red flags can and will shoot up all over and this is an indicator to exit the game or LOSE . Or play the dark side if the dice are so biased with a consistent PSO. There is no advantage play for me at those kinds of tables playing the pass line. I often enjoy the dark side when I feel the dice are super biased in the seven kind of way. In general, it has been my experience that DI doesn't work all the time and I would be a fool and broke if I went in to any casino in this country thinking I could saddle up to the table and start throwing numbers left and right. My craps game is to take note of the variables as best I can, observe and then bet on my trends. I feel any other style of play for me would be foolish. Honesty, I'm too tight with my money to waste it on mindless random betting. BTW are you really that young?
     
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  8. superrick, Aug 17, 2015

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    I still can't figure out why every so-called DI out there wants to tell the world that they are winners!
    I tell everybody that ask me that there are days that I should have stayed in bed. I have nothing to prove to the world about being a DI.


    I simply tell it like it is, everybody has good days and bad ones I don't care if you're a so-called DI or just what everybody now days calls the random rollers. I see those random rollers having just as good rolls as any so-called DI. There is one thing that keeps them separated from the so-called DI's and that is the fact that they don't have classes or DI boards that they can post about their good rolls.

    I get a kick out of all the DI bragging about their All Tall Small wins and fire bets. The casinos have way more to fear from those damn random rollers when they are making those bets.

    To win the All Tall Small bet you need to roll those crap numbers without a seven. To win the six point fire bet, you need to make all of the box numbers, establishing a different box number till you make the six box numbers. Most so-called DI's have only been taught how to throw 6's and 8's and that won't win the fire bet!

    Most so-called DI hate getting harassed at the tables, but they never think about why that happens,..Could it be that the casinos read to much fiction and these trip reports where they are bragging about all of the money that they won?

    Now I'm not saying that every one of them does this, but it quite funny when you read some of their trip reports where they said they were killing the tables and you happened to be standing off to the side watching them lose. I've seen what everybody thinks are the best lose their butts, but again when you read their trip reports they walked away a big winner.

    It always strikes me as very funny when you have a class in town and when all of their students are there they can't shoot for shit, then by some strange miracle when the instructors are by themselves they have all of those big winning sessions.

    If you're a DI you have nothing to prove to anybody, if you're a random roller and one of these so-called DI's makes you the offer to show you their shooting skills, you're a damn fool for not taking them up on it! All of this BS between the so-called DI's and the guys that just go to the casinos to have fun, doesn't do anything for either one that is arguing their point, if the one that is saying it doesn't work doesn't take the so-called DI up on their offer.

    The two of them could probably learn something from one another. Nothing is accomplished by calling other names because you don't believe in the same thing. If I told you that I didn't believe in god, why would you need to beat me into submission. We all have different opinions on everything that is what makes our world go around and it's a good thing that we do, that is about the only way you are going to learn anything that you have a different opinion on.

    If someone tells me that this works I want to prove that it does before I take it into a casino!
    One of the main reasons why others say DI does not work is very simple, they wouldn't know a DI if they were standing right next to one and that is a good thing for all of you so-called DI's out there.

    Most guys just don't play craps enough to notice anything, they hit the tables three times a year if their lucky and their wife's let them, they get all of their comp rooms off their wife's slot play and make a big deal out of getting a comp room!


    I';m sorry I do not play craps for the fun of it, I don't like putting my money at risk and knowing that I stand a good chance of losing every time I step into a casino.

    Now I don't think that everybody would be arguing over the DI thing if it wasn't for all of the fiction that has been written about it. But the so-called DI's have a high standard that they think they have to live up to with the great fictional stories that are told on these DI boards, by the likes of the Madprofessor, that by the way nobody has ever seen in a real casino!

    If it wasn't for the DI schools that are making their money off of all their students, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. There would only be shooters like it use to before they coined the words “Dice Controller,” the DI schools are the ones that we all have to blame for all of the BS that goes on in these craps boards.

    Now I never met gargoil and some have told me that he does have a good shot, but how is anybody going to know if they won't take an hour of their time to see if he can shoot, TDVegas, especially if you're the guy that is saying there is no way that DI works! No matter what would happen in that case scenario, where the so-called DI said he could beat probability. It wouldn't turn out good for the so-called DI.

    If he did beat probability, the naysayer would say that he just got lucky, if he didn't the same naysayer would say, I told you so!

    Then we have all of the casino suits and the guys from the eye in the sky that love to read these boards. By reading all of the fiction and some of these outrages reports, they make knee-jerk decisions, like taking a perfectly good bet off their tables for them, that makes mathematical sense to keep.

    There was one more cases of that, by a casino here in town, where the so-called DI's were bragging about how much they were winning at that casino, guess what they no longer have a good bet there. There is no way that the bet they took off the table would be a loser for the casino, but you had a knee-jerk decision by some dumb table game manager and now that bet is gone. Oh by the way you will soon be reading about that statement on a so-called DI board, where a local was blaming the out-of-town players for the casino taking a bet off a table, but I didn't say they were out-of-town players in the first place!

    Everybody loves to Bragg, that is what keeps Las Vegas and any other casino destination going! Someone gets lucky and they run home and tell all of their friends about their big win, but they never tell about all that they lost getting that big win! I see it every time they have one of the many give always that the local casinos do. They have one right now where they have been giving out wine, where you earned 300 points on the slot machines and you get a bottle wine. There are locals walking out of the casinos that are putting on the promotion with cases of wine every week.

    All I can think is Losers every time I see one of them walk by, most of that junk wine they get every week is giving away to family and friends. I got two bottles of it last night that was given to my wife by one of our Corvette friends.

    So-called DI's are their worst enemy, they have to prove to the world that they are winners! They love to tell all of their buddies about the great fictional stories they read about on the DI craps boards.
    They love paying those ridiculous hook-up fees or whatever they are calling them, like the “After Glow Fee,” boy do I get a kick out of just writing about that one. Where the owner of an on-axis DI school is charging their students a fee just to go to the tables with them to lose money in most cases. These on-axis classes make their money off of the classes they teach, but love to write about all of the so-called DI's that they say are taking hundreds of thousands of dollars off the tables every year and they still have their day jobs!

    Please tell me, just how gullible the DI's are if the owners of these on-axis DI schools still needs their day jobs! I know in their defense it's only a hobby for them to teach others how to become a so-called DI! Can anybody see the irony in a statement like that?
     
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  9. thaferrett, Aug 17, 2015

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    Vampires,Werewolves, and bigfoot. Thats about what I think about a skilled DI taking millions off the tables. Maybe they exist,maybe they don't
     
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  10. $nakeEye$, Aug 17, 2015

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    SuperRick -

    A MOST insightful and IN-DEPTH synopsis of this " D I Thing " ! -

    You " touched " upon a few things which separate the " Men from the Boys " -

    One in particular was the statement regards dice sets which solely / mostly endeavor to favor the 2 other MOST prevalent numbers on the dice -

    Which are the 6 and the 8 -

    WHAT about THE most prevalent number of ALL ? -

    WHY do people NOT capitalize on THAT more often ?

    ALSO - with the casino " Comps Program " ! -

    How much " worthless stuff " can one accumulate ?

    Again - to re-iterate -

    GOOD POST !

    $...eE..$
     
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  11. KokomoJoe4, Aug 17, 2015

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    Make no mistake about it.

    DI's, and even we other lower-life craps players DO take millions off of the tables. It's just that, over time, we leave hundreds of millions/billions there.
     
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  12. superrick, Aug 17, 2015

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    As I posted in the above post, last night I got two bottles of cheap wine from one of our Corvette friends that are in our club. My wife was not with me so I graciously accepted the offer. I didn't want to hurt the person's feelings that were giving us that wine, but neither one of us are wine drinkers. That wine will sit around the house until someone comes in that drinks wine. For me, it was a very awkward situation, because I really didn't know the person that went out of her way to bring that wine to us.

    When moving to Las Vegas one of the first things I did was to go online and check out the Corvette clubs around Las Vegas for my wife.

    When we went to the first meetings they were having, I did what I always do when they have any raffles that goes to charity and went to buy some tickets, low and behold they wouldn't sell me any because we didn't belong to their club yet.

    Well, what a turn-off, I wanted out of there right away, but for my wife's sake I stuck it out. I was shocked to see what was their raffle prizes. It was the same junk that the casinos give out. That you would do better if you just went to any dollar store and bought the junk!

    Anybody that lives here in Vegas knows that all of the casinos send out fliers on the junk they are giving out each month. I wouldn't drive to any casino to get any of that junk!

    I've seen players lose hundreds of dollars, just because they got a cheap free bet in the mail. One night I was at the table and all they dealers started to ask one player where he had been and he tells them that he wasn't getting any free bets in the mail and that was why he wasn't playing. So the guy goes on to buy-in for $500 and when he dropped his free bet on the table I almost cracked up laughing.

    It turned out that this guy came into the casino for a $15 free bet and when it was over with had dropped $700! I still say comps are for suckers, and the wife's get more comps then and craps players, by just playing slots!

    Being a local if you are getting free bets in the mail you should never use them unless you had a trip planned to the casino already! I see way to many players lose way more then the could have won using a free bet!

    You get nothing in life for free, there is always a price to pay and in the casinos it can come at a very high cost!
     
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  13. tabletop123, Aug 17, 2015

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    Guess What? Cherokee still Gives out Cash Vouchers. Don't know long it'll last. Especially since they have a Sister Casino Opening up in Murphy on Sept. 28th. The smaller Casino will be ONLY 1hour& 50 minutes away, so we'll see how THAT goes. The smaller Casino will only have 300 Hotel rooms Versus over 1,000 rooms at their Main Casino. Still, it'll be ANOTHER Indian Casino using Harrah's Name & Running it Just about any way that they see fit.
     
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  14. $nakeEye$, Aug 18, 2015

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    So Rick -

    What YOU are saying is simply the following :

    PLAY SLOTS and NOT CRAPS !

    OR Did " I " - " mis-quote " YOU ???????????????????

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  15. Pressit, Aug 18, 2015

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    Actually the value of the cash voucher just went up to $40. What Cherokee has stopped doing is sending you multiple cash voucher. Gone are the days where I could take $250 in vouchers.
     
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    rick, a lot of us don't live in a gambling town.
    most of us, have to travel at least 2-3 hours to find a decent casino.
    I like to gamble.
    Im going to gamble.
    Im going to play craps.
    I never make a decision on where we are going by what a casino offers us as far as 10 dollar free plays, or 25 dollars in food comps.
    But, when we pick out a place we want to go, I will use any comp they give me, and usually, I get almost every night free lodging because of My play, I just have to call in my players card.
    Yeah, I know, a lot of people want to remain anonymous to casinos, but in 35 years, no casino has ever caused me any of the slightest headaches.
    Ive had to save 75000 dollars over the past 25 years on food and room comps, places I was going to go anyway. Regardless if they gave me anything or not.
    I don't see how comps are for suckers.
    Im going to go to Atlantic City and Mohegan sun, why shouldn't I accept any free rooms they offer me?

    and, there would be almost nothing about DI known today if it wasn't for the internet.
    Just about nothing, the internet let so many scams blossom.
     
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    [QUOTE="Liman, post: 70403, member: 10222offers us as far as 10 dollar free plays, or 25 dollars in food comps.
    I don't see how comps are for suckers.[/QUOTE]

    I agree. Not sure how free $$$, food, room is a bad thing even for LV locals, or anyone. If all I get is a free coffee, and I'm a coffee drinker...just seems like a no-brainer.
     
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    Gee when you were a kid in school did you ever write a book report on a book you had not read? Maybe TD did. Well he crtiques DI without seeing them shoot or accepting an invite to check it out. It' s all conjecture and no facts. Yes TD just like your opinions.
     
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  19. superrick, Aug 18, 2015

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    Yes, you did! I never said to only play slots and if I had to I wouldn't even walk into a casino. I thank every day that my wife does not play slots. I bought her a video poker machine when we moved here to show her just how dumb slot play is! It sits in our game room gathering dust.
    Well if you save 75000 dollars over the past 25 years on food and room comps, just how much did you lose? I tell everybody to read Whale Hunt In The Desert to get a good idea how the casinos operate when it comes to comps.

    Like everybody else that came to Vegas I did get players cards and have been playing a few casinos for years that I don't even have to give them a players card to get comps for rooms shows and dinners. Those casinos automatically enter my name into their computer as soon as I walk up to the table without a card. So yes I will use some comps from them, but I will not go out of my way to play for them or anything they are giving out.

    Now for the rest of the casinos thatI hit there are no players cards and I'm from anywhere that I know something about. I love to use New Caledonia as to where I come from because none of the suits or dealers knows anything about the island and I used to have a customer from there when I had my business back in the 80's.

    If I'm with one of the few guys that I will go to the tables with I take on where ever they say where their from as my home! Now I don't like using loyalty cards in grocery stores or any place else, if I can't get the same discount without one why should I shop there? There are other stores around that don't use them where I get better deals.
    Nowadays everybody knows everything about your shopping habits. The casinos want to know everything about you so they can target you. As my wife's aunt used to say the casinos loved her, look at all of the free rooms and stuff they were sending her. She made very frequent trips from Florida Las Vegas and of course she won every time you out here! She loved playing in those free slot tournaments and nobody really questions how much she lost. She had plenty of money that her stepdaughter squandered after she passed away!

    She was into having fun when she was living and would also take the whole extended family on cruises with her! So it wasn't a question about money with her, but the one thing I will say is the casinos got a very big portion of her wealth when she was alive. Comps were the driving force behind her giving those casinos her money!

    You have to use common sense when your gambling, you get nothing in this life for free, and free cost you a lot of money!
     
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  20. TDVegas, Aug 18, 2015

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    Player cards are a tricky deal. The local casinos use them religiously. Every thing the casino does to cater to locals is done with a bent to get you in the casino and at the tables or machines. If you aren't dumb and can read the writing on the wall and not get snookered...the cards can be of "some" value. Everything in moderation.

    There is a running joke among employees at Station Casinos when a "Chairman" card holder "flashes" his card...the joke is that all his status means is that he has lost more money than everyone else.

    Once in a while I'll get sent free bets or free slot play.
     
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