Another Successful trip to Vegas

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  1. Dave G Ct, Aug 16, 2015

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    I expected to see your posts on his threads!!!
     
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  2. gargoil, Aug 16, 2015

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    Really the iron cross. That's your play for a DI.
    I wonder how much Jacob pays you to be so stupid and post on this forum. I mean without you there will be almost no traffic.
     
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  3. tabletop123, Aug 16, 2015

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    No you can't! Yes, I can! No you can't! YES, I CAN! Well, then Prove it! Okay, meet me at XYZ Casino & I'll show You. TD: I don't meet people that I don't Know. Not even in Well illuminated Areas? No, Don't know you, & don't trust you........ When will it all end?
     
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  4. gargoil, Aug 16, 2015

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    When Jacob stops the regular money to TD for moving traffic on the forum :)
     
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  5. tabletop123, Aug 16, 2015

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    Incidentally, TD, our nearest Casino(For us Atlanta folks) is 3 hours, fifteen minutes away! It is an indian Casino with HORRIBLE comps. The tables are Very Bouncy, & most DI's avoid bouncy tables. In my opinion, the Bounce is VERY playable, & I now know how to play the tables(Thanks superrick), so no problem for me. Thing that kills us all is the three hour commute to the middle of no where, only to find that the playing conditions are Mostly Overcrowded. Wish we had the opportunity to hop in a car, or walk to our nearset casino, & arrive in under fifteen Minutes. Certainly wouldn't be on this forum if that was the case.
     
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  6. tabletop123, Aug 16, 2015

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    I might also mention that YES, the Iron cross play does dilute the payout on the 5,6, & 8. HOWEVER, it's certainly NOT a bad play for the talented DI that consistently tosses 6-7 Roll hands. Especially if He/She has a propensity to toss one or two "Trash" numbers per Hand. Depends on WHAT you're tossing.
     
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  7. Dave G Ct, Aug 16, 2015

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    How did you modify your toss for those bouncy tables?
     
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  8. tabletop123, Aug 16, 2015

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    Dave, check your PM!
     
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  9. hartzehn22, Aug 16, 2015

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    I do track every one of my rolls at the table and have been doing this for many years. I've taken all sorts of criticism for the so called "Dice counting". I don't care what other craps players think about with respect to "Dice counting". Usually I recommend to those naysayers that they should do it as well and that really makes them laugh. I know tracking my throws over the years has helped me understand my game and how I might have an edge or not. Having said that, I know that with different dice sets, and the different dice themselves that are presented to you (because they are not all the same) and factoring in different table surfaces, there are a set of predictable numbers that I'm likely to hit. How do I know this?? Because I have tracked my rolls intensively throughout the years. At this point in time, I don't feel the need to track my rolls as consistently as I once did, because I know my personal trends and the typical numbers I can hit. Having said that however, I still track my rolls to keep my play consistent. It has not been easy getting to this point in my craps career but if need be I can play successfully without tracking my numbers. Some times it is nice not having pen and paper in hand as that will sometimes attract further attention. And I do have to agree with Dave that at some point you really don't need to keep track of every single roll, every single time, because you know where you stand with the dice once you've worked with them for a zillion tosses. You know your trends and outcomes. When I shoot the game doesn't feel random because I'm counting on specific set of numbers to be rolled when I'm shooting. It's all about the control and consistency in what is suppose to be a very random game. I like to control as many variables as I think I can. BUT I know most players think that each dice throw is random. I can't help them with that. I just know from my own personal observations that dice control is possible.
     
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  10. TDVegas, Aug 16, 2015

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    If you are that confident and with casinos all around you here in Vegas where you live...what are doing wasting time and energy with this long, drawn out post? Get in the car right now and pull up those specific numbers you know you can roll and cash in. What am I missing here?
     
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  11. tabletop123, Aug 16, 2015

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    I recall when I was younger & following the Chicago Pool playing hustlers around. I was always impatient, & CONSTANTLY asked: When will I be able to play competitively & make some Money? The response from every Major Hustler was:" Kid, when you've stroked around a half million Pool shots "With Intent", then You'll have a GENERAL Idea of what it takes to be a Good player". When You can toss the dice effortlessly & hit your target/s with Control, You're ALMOST there!
     
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  12. TDVegas, Aug 16, 2015

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    If I told you that you had the ability to hit the 6 & 8 in 10 of 14 rolls...what are you doing? Wasting time in Georgia? Getting in the car once every 3 weeks to play? What happens if you lose the skill?....the eyesight starts to go? arthritis? Are you just going to sit on playing every so often when you possess this skill?

    See, I can't prove DI can't be done...but I can throw water on this very lazy, casual attitude of "I play when I can"...."I've got better things to do than making money"...."like cutting the lawn, doing food shopping with the wife"...."spring cleaning of the garage"...etc. etc.

    If you gave this skill to the random rollers here....99% would be running to the casino this minute.---dropping the rake, dropping the leaf blower, etc.
     
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  13. tabletop123, Aug 16, 2015

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    TDVegas..... in RARE form again!!!! LOL Come on now, everyone KNOWS TdVegas's Motto: "Just Go Do!"
     
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  14. TDVegas, Aug 16, 2015

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    I'm just trying to be logical here. Whether the task of DI is difficult for some or not isn't the issue. If they possess the skill and are confident (and gargoil seems to think he can demonstrate it on the spot)...what the F are they doing jerking around here on this site trying to make me believe??
     
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  15. tabletop123, Aug 16, 2015

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    You've got the wrong Poster, Daddio! I NEVER professed to be able to hit the 6/8 Ten times in 14 rolls. THAT WOULD be catergorized as "Sniping" numbers. CANNOT or WILL NOT speak for Gargoil's Abilities, or Lack thereof. I CANNOT snipe Numbers AT WILL, & IF I could, you'd NEVER EVER catch me on a Craps forum. I'd spend EVERY waking day "Printing money" & Having fun while doing it!!
     
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  16. TDVegas, Aug 16, 2015

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    I know you aren't making the claim.

    Us random rollers here are scratching our heads saying to these guys "you, you mean you can beat the casino and you visit the casino every so often"???

    He's basically saying he can demonstrate the skill on demand? Why else make the challenge? Wouldn't that be a form of sniping? Demonstrating a win or a loss proves nothing. Demonstrating in 14 rolls I can roll 6-8 ten times. Bring it on.
     
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  17. tabletop123, Aug 16, 2015

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    I'll let Gargoil speak for himself, but Hanging out in a Casino (Even when you're consistently making Money) takes it's toll on you. I did it for four consecutive Months, & it aint easy. Your free Room Comps start to "Dry Out" after 2 or 3 Consecutive days, so NOW you have the ADDED expense of trying to win enough money on a Daily Basis to cover Lodging expense. Then, you have the explanation to the wife as to WHY you're camping out at the Casino, INSTEAD of being at Home, where you're needed. To make matters worse, you have the Added pressure of Sending Money home to the wife to VALIDATE that you are NOT lodging in a Casino Blowing Your retirement funds.

    Then you have the added pleasure of the "Crew" seeing you for MULTIPLE days at a Time taking money off of their Tables(doesn't matter if it's $10 or $1,000), they still are seeing you too Friggin much. I recall at one point wherein a "Stick" person SPECIFICALLY asked me "Is this what you do for a Living". Now, I did "GET LUCKY", & had a four Month stretch wherein I won a Pretty Hefty amount. Only problem was that EVENTUALLY I DID go on tilt & ended up "Pulling the Plug" BEFORE things got worse. My little experiment was to see if the Casino life style was a Viable consideration. The Answer? A unequivocal, & RESOUNDING......... NO!!!! Get a friggin job!!!
     
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  18. tabletop123, Aug 16, 2015

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    Td, I will say this: IF I resided in a casino Town, I WOULD spend as Much time as Possible TRYING to win. The added luxury of being able to be Home in less than fifteen Minutes is definitely a plus. not to mention the fact that Vegas has a multitude of different venues, wherein you could play $3, or $5 craps. Forget the "skill" bulls**t!! As long as I am NOT forced to play at crowded tables, with Minimum table limits of $15, & up...... I'm a happy Camper.

    Now, I'll allow you to retort. TDVegas:" Well, if you posses a skill, shouldn't you RELISH playing at High Minimum tables? NOT ME!!! Why? Because I realize that ALL I have is a "Contained, & well versed Toss. Do I think I can win? absolutely!!! However, I realize that I NEVER have an edge until the session has ended & I''m at the cashier's cage with casino money.
     
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  19. gargoil, Aug 16, 2015

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    TT123 check your PM when you can.
     
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  20. DeMango, Aug 16, 2015

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    If I lived in Atlanta, I would still drive to Tunica. About 5 1/2 hours to a heck of a lot better conditions.
     
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