Another example of Liman being wrong AGAIN on Aruze Bubble Craps

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  1. TR31

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    I was at Sacramento Hard Rock Casino this weekend. There is one Aruze bubble craps machine with 8 seats with $5 min to $2,000 max. I just want to list the facts to show why Liman never gets it and is constantly wrong about comps and free play from Aruze Bubble craps.

    Here are the facts (based on communications with numerous people, website(s), etc), the casino:

    - had a soft open on Wednesday night 10/30
    - had the hard open or official open that weekend with a concert
    - is located just north of Toyota concert hall
    - is 25 to 30 minutes from Thunder Valley casino
    - is 35 minutes north of Sacramento
    - does not offer points into Free Play
    - was offering tier matching based on slot club level from competing casinos
    - The casino was awarding $1 coin in = 1 point on slots & $3 coin in = 1 point on video poker machines

    One small team shows up on Thursday and finds out the Aruze machines was coded wrong at $1 coin in = 1 point; at the base level $1 comp = 300 points & at the blue level $1 comp = 200 points.

    If you were at the lowest card level, the casino gave you $120 in FREE PLAY for $5,000 of coin in or 2.4% or 240 basis points for being a new member. You got more FREE PLAY at the higher level. This proves Liman continues to full of manure about not being able to get FREE PLAY from Aruze Bubble craps.

    One member got $80 in additional Free Play based on his play from the previous week. The casino was also offering $10 to $100 in FREE PLAY as a daily promo on kiosk once you get 200 points. So that was $10 to $100 in FREE PLAY for $200 in coin in.

    By Wednesday, other teams have set up shop. The Free Play offers were just too good to pass up and why Liman is so full of manure.

    The casino responded by making $3 coin-in to 1 point to slow down the FREE PLAY and COMP bleeding. The casino was also offering as much as 8 free nights as part of their promo so lots of the teams slept for free as well as eat for free and enjoyed huge FREE PLAY.

    There were at least 3 teams hammering the Aruze machines. At $60 hedge bets and 200 points = $1 comp dollar, it was roughly $100 in comps per hour.

    I spent a lot of time talking to people this weekend, traded a lot of e-mails, etc
     
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    To summarize on FREE PLAY from Sacramento Hard Rock casino:
    - min $120 FREE PLAY for $5,000 coin in for new members
    - players got weekly FREE PLAY based on play or action
    - players got Daily FREE PLAY of $10 to $100 from promo once they get 200 points
    - players can trade points into comps at 200 points or 300 points = $1 comp dollar
    - players got generous free room offers

    So if you played Aruze Bubble craps, you made out. Here is the difference between me and Liman: I play at casinos that offer free play, comps, et al from Aruze Bubble craps whereas Liman plays the Aruze Bubble craps machines at casinos that don't offer any goodies.

    Unlike Harrah's casino at Ione that leverages of the Harrah's franchise, Hard Rock had to capture and build its customer base from scratch. The Tier matching was a bad idea but they had to do it. Hard Rock faces numerous casinos within a 1-hour radius from Sacramento: Cache Creek casino, Colusa casino, Feather Falls casino, Gold Country casino, Thunder Valley casino, Red Hawk casino, Jackson casino, Harrah's in Ione.

    Then you add the coding error where the Aruze Bubble craps was coded as a slot machine that gave away too many points per $1 coin in.

    Then you add the fact the casino doesn't offer points into Free Play so they use a Daily promo of only 200 points to award $10 to $100 in Free Play.

    if you ask me, this casino was asking for trouble. However, the speed at which it responded means this casino knows what is happening and will respond quickly. I expect barrings for some of the teams.

    I forgot to mention, dice control is possible here. It's a good machine so far.
     
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  3. von duck, Nov 19, 2019

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    How much profit do you think Linan can expect, after he pays his plane fare from NY to Sacramento? :cool:
     
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    Thanks for the report Harley, but Limans johnson is still bigger than yours
     
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  5. KokomoJoe4, Nov 19, 2019

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    Who the fuck cares about comps and free play?

    Play with an eye towards as big of a win as you can get. Money, not food or free play.
     
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  6. lone irish digit, Nov 19, 2019

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    This is Barney

    Mr Koko, you once again show your ignorance about the gambling probably because your head is filled with meaningless dice facts. The LID and Mr TR250, like all advantage players cares about free play and comps. In his bestest selling book, "Gambling for Innumetates", the LID estimated in his gambling career that he has converted free play into over $4,333,867. Similarly, he saved over $3,322,725 on food as well as $0.67 on water bill from once taking shower at casino. For a casino Advantage Player that plays the tables and slut devices they is real value that astute gamblers can easily transform to monies or pass on to casino chicks.
     
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  7. Mssthis1, Nov 19, 2019

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    A person who finds a machine that they feel is favorable for awarding points wrong or whatever reason and then blabs about it on an open forum most definitely rides the shortest of the short buses.

    if you want to maximize points glitches a don't pass /don't come with max odds is the best way to do it. Hedges are for people with no bankroll. If you don't have bankroll, your team isn't successful.
     
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  8. lone irish digit, Nov 19, 2019

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    This is Barney

    The asshole LID would never tell other gambling personages about EV plays he is chasing only most gracious personages like Mr TR250 and the Supperick do such magnanimous deeds because they just like to help peoples who bow to their skills and large intellect.
     
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  9. KokomoJoe4, Nov 19, 2019

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    The only ways a player is going to get meaningful comps is by (1) wagering with large amounts of money, and/or (2) spending a lot of time in the casino.

    For those of us who do neither, comps aren't going to amount to much. I have never received one, and do not feel like I am missing much.

    LID might have found it more convenient to shower in run off puddles.
     
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  10. Liman

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    uh vey.

    ya gotta love everyone who thinks we don't know they are full of shit.


    koko-Ill agree comps come with time spend in casino, the larger the bets, the easier the comps, meaning better rooms, anytime booking free rooms, anytime free food and finer restaurants. Noone, and I mean no one is getting great comps off a bubble. Ive played bubbles in almost every state Ive played in a casino, comps are negligible.
    It only helps when I get free offers, if I call and ask them to check my number to get upgrades or secure a free room combined with my wifes time spent.
    I don't believe I get anything for the play, I believe they just clock how much time I might have been at a bubble and give me a courtesy since they know I am in fact playing in their casino.
     
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  11. TDVegas, Nov 19, 2019

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    What about the $50 in round trip gas getting from Reno to Sacramento and back?

    That doesn’t count?

    Also add in the 250 miles round trip on your on your Chevy El Camino....and the costs start adding up to get $50 in free play

    Whatever the comps are....it’s not done as a means to an end. They know exactly what they are doing.

    as Mssthis noted, if you found some glitch that is exploitable for gain and you are blabbing on a public forum....you need a lobotomy.
     
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  12. DeMango, Nov 19, 2019

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    We have known Harley to need a lobotomy for 15 years on all these boards!
     
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  13. yacraps, Nov 19, 2019

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    [email protected]#$king LID..LOL
     
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    while visiting the grand canyon, the restaurant charges a water fee for each table.
     
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    ya know what, maybe Harley is right.

    I think theres a casino in Uzbekistan that offers some comp points for their bubble machine.
     
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