# An oldie that never came under discussion

Discussion in 'Dice Influencing' started by KokomoJoe4, Jan 6, 2017.

1. HornHiYo, Jan 7, 2017

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Nah. They have nothing to fear cuz Dave is on the driver's shit list and the only way the driver might stop is to throw Dave under the bus!

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2. KokomoJoe4, Jan 8, 2017

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This posting lets us see that on-axis shooting is NOT the mechanism by which a successful dice influencer operates. Thank you. That is ALL I was attempting to state.

On the other hand, statements like " consensus of opinion rested on the final result", "how the final result got there was due to influence", "set of motions which can not be duplicated exactly", "call it influence, not control" do nothing to give direction to a mechanism by which to succeed when tossing dice.

We are back to the old argument that anyone who touches the dice puts an influence on them. By definition, this has to be true, doesn't it?

Although we have gotten no where, I will go back to my long-term observation, which is, in general, some shoots better than others, where in general means not all of the time.

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3. Linaway, Jan 8, 2017

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Demango,

It isn’t 98% on axis Kemosabe, it’s 2.777% for the permuted numbers possible for a single axle variable. The rotational axis. This leaves off axis at 97.223%. As for the 1*6 seven cropping up in any Axial Array; that will be 32 ways it can occur.

Now lets get real. Your statement is loaded with incorrect innuendos. You can’t lay claim to the incorrect statement of all outcomes supporting what you believe while holding others to on axis of 2.777% where both the 16 or 61 is hidden in the rotational axis. By the way, another feet to the flames you want asking for trial attempts to be on axis.

Pucker up Kemosabe, many cheeks await your lips! Bring your own chap stick for you will be a busy ass kisser. You're no stranger to ass kissing as I recall. By the way, if you want proof of your claims, do the work, then show it. I have provided mine. Don’t rely on what Joe Blow said decades ago.

Prove your math of 16/36=.44444. Identify the numbers pertaining to where they came from and what they are labeled. Don’t go running off to bt or your pals, stand on your own two feet. You made the claims, back them up based on your ability, not others.

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4. DeMango, Jan 8, 2017

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I base my statements by the mathematical fact that 44.44% of an on axis attempted roll END UP ON AXIS. If we get anything else, especially 2.78%, we have a huge money making opportunity. Final result. What the casino pays.

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5. dicepunk, Jan 8, 2017

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I'm with DeMango on this one. What matters is the end result. Who cares how you get there, it's all semantics.

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6. Linaway, Jan 8, 2017

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There you go again using a "mathematical fact" as your credibility of statement. Stop hiding behind word mechanics or semantics if you prefer.The mathematical fact that should be stated is both on/off axis results. All being what the casino will pay on if you have bets booked properly.

The challenge stated you identify the components of the 16/36=.4444. You did not answer the challenge! The responsibility of proof lies at your feet, not mine.

Another thought for you to ponder. This comes from a person with outstanding credibility Aparadim! A long standing memeber of the old Dicesetter board and Heavy's.

He was the bean counter on irishsetter's Dicesetter board for a long time. His claim posted on Heavy's board as well. He is or was a member there.

Hand roll length. 9 rolls average per hand.
3 of those rolls will be craps n yo's.
That leaves 6 rolls left. By your haha venue, .4444*6=2.664 usable rolls during point on axis.

Even if you're allowed all 9 rolls, that's still only 3.9996 rolls on axis. Not very good results to seek. By the way. The wiz of odds says average roll length is 8.52.If this hand average roll length is used, the mathematical results will get worse for on axis.

16.....where did you get that number, what is it's title?

36.....where did you get that number, what is it's title?

Divisor, dividend or mathematical fact is not a credible challenge answer.

We are not dealing at this point with what the casino pays. It's the challenge. Step up to the plate and meet the challenge. No more passing the buck based on what somebody else told you.

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7. DeMango, Jan 8, 2017

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Just shut up will ya? Random results equal 44.44%. Period. What the final result is. What the casino pays. No one gives a flying fuck if one die does a triple loop and the other does four. Hard 10. Pay all bets that bet 10, including hard and hops.

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8. Linaway, Jan 8, 2017

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Touch a nerve did I? No way will I shut up! Your vulgarity also indicates you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Hmm, looks like your mouth overloaded your ability to properly respond. You made these claims about mathematical fact, now get with the program, not attitude and foul mouth, answer the challenge verbatim!

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9. Dave G Ct, Jan 8, 2017

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Yes DeMango is easily rattled Only knows how to parrot others- then on to look for Unicorns!!

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10. DeMango, Jan 9, 2017

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No need to add to the above, random results are 44.44% Period.

Oh thanks \$5Dave for chipping in here. On one side we have Linaway. On the other we have every proponent of on axis/ off axis shooting. From Wong to MP to Heavy to Sharpshooter to Irish to Dice Coach, to Scoblete, to every school out there. Every one. So Dave who ya gonna believe? Think about it before you jump in with the lad from Kansas. Why has he been kicked off other sites? Have you bought his "Streak Detector" ? Have you listened to his math, ya know only 2.78% end up with an on axis result? How does that work out for you Dave? Next you should ask the hard question: Show us it works. Who has taken the 2.78% on axis and taken the casino to the cleaners? Who is making cheddar with these insights (hey, hey)?

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11. Dave G Ct, Jan 9, 2017

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I belueve in On Axis but true on axis is very rare.Yes outcomes are 44% on axis BUT your set will undergo a change due to the X axis which may be good or bad . Has not hurt my toss.

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12. gargoil, Jan 9, 2017

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So true on axis is very rare. This means "false" on axis is common? So you believe in "On Axis" but not "True On Axis"? \$5.00 Dave I believe you are just like the plastic bag Katy Perry sings about. Drifting thru the wind wanting to start again.

Wishy Washy going with the flow agreeing with whomever gives you the time of day. Sad.

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13. superrick, Jan 9, 2017

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That's because Mr. 0 was trained by the great fiction writer or was it Heavy, Oh, well it didn't matter he didn't learn a thing anyway! For him it's whoever ass he can kiss today to try to find something out about playing the game of craps!

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14. Dave G Ct, Jan 9, 2017

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Just believe in what Linaway has been saying.These schools neglect the X axis.They concern totally with the other 2 axises and conveniently " forget" about the third axis . Like I said if your toss is productive do not worry.

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15. Dave G Ct, Jan 9, 2017

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Time to get that mask and cape out of dry cleaning.Board needs some levity!

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16. gargoil, Jan 9, 2017

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No. Unlike you I don't just believe in what ANYONE says (no offense to Linaway and this is not directed to him). I believe in what I CAN or CAN'T do.

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17. Edward-ky, Jan 9, 2017

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You guys can talk about percentages till your blue in the face but there is only 2 percentages that matter and they are 0 and 100. If your bet hits it pays 100% of the time and if it doesn't it pays 0% of the time.

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18. Dave G Ct, Jan 9, 2017

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Like I said if working do not worry about it.I am not changing a thing.Works quite well.I seem to have been taken off your ignore list.

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19. Linaway, Jan 9, 2017

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DeMango,

There is no way you;'re going to get away with your smoke and mirrors response.

The challenge....
16.....where did you get that number, what is it's title?

36.....where did you get that number, what is it's title?

Your avoiding to do so loud and clear shows the board you don't have a clue. Don't bother to refer to others where this incorrect formula resides with. They are just as wrong as your are. You're the character touting it. Your the party that needs to tell the board what, where, and name of the 16 and 36 numbers are all about.

Here's the deal. You answer or I will haunt you forever about this. The easy way out is for you to answer. Any attempts to IGNORE me will go unrecognized. The posts bearing your name will be there as long as this board is.

Every post you put up, I will respond to along with the formula question again and again and again. PERIOD.

The creators of the formula and you are wrong. It's an apples and oranges scenario. It screams out loud that the rules of math are being violated.

Man up, provide the answers. Stop hiding behind your smoke and mirrors. Frankly I don't think your smart enough to know. You're all mouth and attitude with little knowledge about the subject in question. DUH, well so-n-so said so, it must be right, DUH!

By the way, I'm not the only one that knows this formula is wrong. It gripes you that somebody knows something you don't. For what it's worth, one of the authors touting this formula created it. All the others like good little mice followed the Pied Piper's lead without question.

As for outcome, what the casino will pay on is another subject. If I were you I would refrain from using that closing statement in your arguments. You see I am prepared to challenge that one as well.

This Kansas boy is loaded for bear. Answer the question or as stated I will hunt you down. I've already shown the board you're not credible. Now lets find out if you have any intelligence at all.

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