A couple questions

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  1. TDVegas, Mar 21, 2018

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    A martingale will do that.
     
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  2. James Hall, Mar 21, 2018

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    Tabletop gave you some really good advice , if you go into a game thinking you are going to lose
    that all too many times becomes a self fulfilling prophesy
    DeMango gave you some advice that will put you on the right track , "LEARN TO THROW THE DICE"
    Basic 777 gave you some also He has written a book that will give you some insight to the game
    combine all that to win

    1) learn to throw the dice effectively

    2) build a betting strategy around the numbers that your toss actually produces

    3) Practice all this and you will develop the confidence that allows you to ,
    walk into a casino knowing you CAN WIN

    One of the Mesa guys one day asked me , "what is the quickest and easiest way to spot a good shooter"?
    I said , "Look in a mirror , you will find him there , you will win on your throw then lose on 10 or 12 waiting to get the dice again

    When you learn to throw the dice , generally you will be the only one on the table with that skill
    Why risk your money on people who lack the skill
     
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  3. tabletop123, Mar 21, 2018

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    Ya forgot to mention "Sanity" too!
     
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  4. tabletop123, Mar 21, 2018

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    If you learn to throw the dice, you won't need to wait on twelve people to get the dice. You SHOULD be at empty to near empty tables tossing as slowly, & carefully as possible.

    Whilst playing as the "lone" shooter, you'll have to overcome the FACT that your every move ( if you're a good shooter) will be closely scrutinized ( that's what the Pit Boss is trained to do), & you'll have to learn to SLOW DOWN, & take your time, because as soon as those dice come to rest, they'll be pushed right back in front of you for the next toss.

    All of these "die hard" Di's will tell you that they want to toss as many times as possible. ( Most think they have a HUGE edge) WRONG! Why would you want to take the chance of tossing a roll every three seconds when your advantage ( IF ANY AT ALL) will be thinner than a slice of bacon & fleeting as a guest of wind?

    If you decide to learn how to Mechanically toss the dice, you will quickly learn what is fact & what is "fluff"!

    "I usually toss the dice 10-12 times or MORE every time I get the dice"......DON'T BELIEVE IT!

    "I rarely PSO"....DON'T BELIEVE IT!

    I make a very sizeable income from TOSSING THE DICE ( Dominator).....Don't BELIEVE it!
     
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  5. lone irish digit, Mar 21, 2018

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    Opie has a 99% win rate, however...
     
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  6. tabletop123, Mar 21, 2018

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    However? That "However" is......that one percenter is a BEAST!
     
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  7. DeMango, Mar 21, 2018

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    About 23,000$ correct?
     
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  8. tabletop123, Mar 21, 2018

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    Yep...pretty accurate! I heard that it was on ONE bet! I also heard that he was betting someone else's money. ( ouch)!

    Hope Obie was lucky enough to safely make it to his car. Lol
     
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  9. TDVegas, Mar 21, 2018

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    I heard it happened twice in close succession. 20K plus.

    That's a kick in the groin. You never know when that 1% will strike.
     
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  10. TDVegas, Mar 21, 2018

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    The martingale will look good on paper...such as...

    "92 of 93 session winners"

    "You da man, obie!"
    "Congrats on great play"
    "wow"!
    "this guy is the real deal"

    There is no strategic play that can be expected to win. Do I think he is the one guy who has escaped this? With his style/betting of play?.....no way.

    Hence those two ENORMOUS losses. He'll need to hit a slot progressive to get those doubloons back.
     
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  11. PeacePeople, Mar 21, 2018

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    Same way I have been, practice setting and my toss. Pay better/closer attention to the other players technique and results, try to be more wisely and walk away when I want or it feels right, instead of hanging on for "1 more run"... usual stuff
     
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    I mean there are a number of ways to throw, several good shots and some
    things to know about how and when to do certain things.... Did you plan to learn
    them on your own or were you thinking about some different types of classes.

    I am not suggesting one or another, but they all have some advantages and disadvantages
    and there are some pretty good players around that can make your journey a whole
    lot easier.

    tdb
     
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  13. lone irish digit, Mar 21, 2018

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    Hey Tabletop,

    While watching TV tonight I saw this commercial that brought back flashbacks of close to 45 years ago during my pool playing phase. Although this great wasn't from Chicago can you see the resemblance of the older man in all levis and hat strutting out with the black woman near the beginning of the commercial. The resemblance to that late pool hall of famer is spooky. I think you might remember him.

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=AwrC5pnpH7NawAsAIIq3mWRH;_ylu=X3oDMTByN2RnbHFoBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMw--?p=levi jean commercials&vid=7350cdf5d3c986b8a1367c9c6d288846&turl=https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OVP.1hgweB-qRCvvgxr43KcpQQJYFR&pid=15.1&h=337&w=600&c=7&rs=1&rurl=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XwqaqqVrtg&tit=Levi’s® "Circles" Commercial l :60&c=2&h=337&w=600&l=61&sigr=11bvbamq1&sigt=11fi302ok&sigi=12rnprdta&age=1502825941&fr2=p:s,v:v&fr=yfp-hrtab-s&tt=b
     
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  14. Freddyy, Mar 21, 2018

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    Martingale and me split a very long time ago. I will sometimes take a field or two 10-25. But that is my desperate session plan. Now a day I just get out.
     
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  15. Mssthis1, Mar 22, 2018

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    Try to keep your toss simple and comfortable. The fewer moving parts the fewer things that will go wrong.

    I shot one time with a guy in Vegas whose pre shot routine looked like a robot with a bunch of software glitches. The dealers were laughing and mocking him while he was in his pre-shot routine. Don't be that guy.
     
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  16. lone irish digit, Mar 22, 2018

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    This is Barney,

    Per chance did that guy wearing a big white cowboy hat or possibly a DI skunkhat?


    Thank you very much
     
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  17. The Comeback Kid, Mar 22, 2018

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    I say good attitude, my man...and attitude is everything
    Don't reject your losses, but accept them as part of the creative process toward greater more satisfying wins.The only thing static is change, while permanence is achieved thru impermanence. You cannot avoid losses, but you can mitigate them with the right attitude.

    Where there is flow there is growth, there is life. It's where you want to be. Nobody breathes in without breathing out. Resources want to dance. But dancing the cha-cha in only 1 direction looks about as weird as trying to hold your breath in. If your sweating every transaction, you shouldn't be at the casino.

    Be playful about it. "Oh I'm making an investment toward greater rewards. Or...how wonderful to contribute & uplift the local economy. And after all, my wallet needed a bit of room for all the new money that's coming."

    If I told you that a $1000 win is waiting to manifest, you wouldn't sweat the $10 loss. But when we make that $10 loss a BIG DEAL, you've introduced tension, anxiety & stress. That's called resistance, my friend & the more you feel it, the more you see it. Sorry to say it, but you're toast. Better to come back another day.

    I am convinced that a basic requirement for long term success at the tables is a softening of our response to the outward flow of resources, otherwise you block the inflow. That's why the game is so great. It teaches us that what we want is there, when we accept that there's a process.Those that know...know.

    If you are falling....dive. And all you have to do, to transform your hell into a paradise is to turn your fall into a voluntary act. It's a very interesting shift of perspective and that's all it is... joyful participation in the sorrow and everything changes.”
    Joseph Campbell,
     
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