a couple questions on dice tossing

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  1. tabletop123, Jul 5, 2017

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    To simplify things, I do it on a roll by roll basis! Don't know where you play Koko, but I always see 4-5 Group 2's in a row! Sometimes more! I can tell ya one thing's for sure......Ya See two consecutive Group 1's, & ya pretty much know the roll is over.

    I think I'm gonna start hopping the Sevens, or laying a number when those G1's start raining down!
     
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  2. lone irish digit, Jul 5, 2017

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    There is no such thing as classified craps information even if you bought the stuff. What I presented is common information already discussed in public forums. I never said I used the stuff you must have me confused with Koko. So just from what I gather from the forum Koko, Pressit, and Tabletop use it to some extent while TwoDiceBilly, James Hall, and myself have some knowledge but find it not practical for casino use.
     
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    There's only two groups! Wish I could say more, but out of respect for Linaway, I won't! I will say this.....Linaway's material runs circles around trying to influence the dice. The ONLY skill you need is reading the dice QUICKLY, before the Stick Man swipes the dice to the center of the table!

    It's easier said than done, because if ya get guys that toss like Full Press ( Dice flying everywhere) it's harder to quickly scan both dice ACCURATELY when they are NOT in close proximity to each other. Its simply harder for your eyes to scan both dice quickly if ya got them 12 ft apart from each other!

    In my opinion, Linaway's stuff works marvelously well with landings that are closely cropped together. You can read the dice effortlessly, & accurately, the closer they are to each other!

    Now, I am having a great amount of success ( particularly reading my own rolls) because my dice don't fly everywhere! Remember, I am NOT claiming any influence, but I am claiming that MY rolls are VERY easy to read quickly, & accurately!.

    Let me simply put it this way: the dealers thought I had some kind of ESP for taking my bets down before the Seven showed!

    We all want to know the best times to wager, & when to take your bets down. Linaway's stuff is the best ( only ) way that I've found to do it!

    I don't need monster rolls.,Don't need 6 roll hands. I just wanna know when the Seven is coming.

    I don't endorse systems, methods, etc, so if anyone's interested, ya gotta find some of Linaway's old post, & maybe PM him ( not even certain if he reads this board anymore).
    Since my last two Casino visits, I am tossing the dice again in the garage! However, it's NOT to influence them. The goal is to keep them closely cropped together, & to read them Quickly!

    I got Linaway's material whilst in the Casinos, & I got Ducky telling me when yo hit the Casinos.

    Sort of like the Holy Grail, huh? Lol.
     
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  4. tabletop123, Jul 5, 2017

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    Laugh if ya wanna, but Old Top hasn't had a headache in the last two Casino Visits! Nuts STILL intact, I might add!
     
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  5. lone irish digit, Jul 5, 2017

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    If you look at it another way does it really matter if the previous toss was safe or not when like the great DI Full Press you toss the dice from one end of the table and one of the die comes comes back to the end of the table from whence the toss commenced for a 28 foot die travel and both end up in a so-called safe arrangement and Full Press then announce to the audience that the dice ended up on access. (Nice run on sentence) (Looks like TT123 beat me to a Full Press example)
     
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  6. tabletop123, Jul 5, 2017

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    Allow me to retort...........I never try to read the dice from far away! I don't have the eyesight to do it! However, as long as I am close to the dice, NO MATTER who is tossing them......I can read em quick enough to wager, & pull down when necessary!

    Don't wanna toss the dice at all? No problem! Find a spot at "Straight Out", & ONLY read the outcomes that come to YOUR straight out end of the table!

    Fuck what happens on the OTHER end of the table. If ya can't read two dice that are landing right in front of ya........Time to go play bingo!
     
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  7. Twelve4s, Jul 5, 2017

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    An excellent sentence indeed, like a 40 roll hand.

    On the other hand, James Joyce has you beat:

    Another sentence that is often claimed to be the longest sentence ever written is Molly Bloom's soliloquy in the James Joyce novel Ulysses (1922), which contains a sentence of 3,687 words.


    But I doubt he could better you at craps.
     
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  8. Twelve4s, Jul 5, 2017

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    I thought you said that you only read the dice when you're shooting and you were practicing in your garage, reading dice outcomes so you could do it faster, before the stick sweeps em away? You can't do that from the receiving end of the table. Guess it's time for me to try bingo.
     
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  9. lone irish digit, Jul 5, 2017

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    I think you got some bad information about the longest sentence. I believe in 2013 BTL had a post on this forum with 3,962 words.
     
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  10. tabletop123, Jul 5, 2017

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    Twelve, I like & respect your post, but I don't play games. Especially when it comes to people's money!

    To put it mildly......Digit is sometimes full of shit, & is more concerned with being a comedian than staying on course.

    Tell ya what......PM Koko, & get his perspective on the material. Koko is known as a no nonsense, no bullshit poster on this forum, & calls things like he sees them......Dice Influencing, & all!

    I'm recommending Koko, because he's a straight shooter, & it will give you a broader perspective on the material. What I like about the Material is that it's Pure facts!

    It doesn't matter who is tossing the dice ,& ya don't have to hope that some guy is influencing the dice.

    You're ONLY concern is......How QUICKLY can you ACCURATELY read the dice BEFORE the stickman grabs them!
     
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  11. Twelve4s, Jul 5, 2017

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    No doubt, he is very capable. Lots of bad information on the internet, except on this forum, of course.
     
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  12. DeMango, Jul 5, 2017

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    Interesting
     
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  13. tabletop123, Jul 5, 2017

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    Wrong! What I am saying is this......if you stand at Straight out, & you ONLY read the tosses that come to YOUR straight Out end of the table, the dice are landing right in front of you!

    FORGET what transpires with the tosses that go to the OTHER back wall, straight out table position.

    That is correct! I try to only wager, & toss wherein I am close to the back wall, because I can read them better.

    However, if ya just wanna practice reading the dice, & NOT toss the dice......I gave ya the absolute best way to do it!

    Sure, I'd PREFER to bet only on my own rolls, but if I'm watching a game, & I"m at a Straight out position, & some guy is tossing nothing but G2 outcomes, ......fuck tossing the dice.

    I'm gonna buy in at that Straight out back wall that he's tossing to ( right in front of me), & hope that I never see a G1 outcome!
     
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  14. lone irish digit, Jul 5, 2017

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    Notice how the derisive personal attacks start when you have a difference of opinion about the sub board's sacred cow and how it is interesting that Demango pops up at this time.
     
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  15. Twelve4s, Jul 5, 2017

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    Very interesting indeed. I didn't mean to awake the submariners. Curiosity got the best of me, again.
     
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  16. superrick, Jul 5, 2017

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    Everybody has different opinions, I can't see why anybody would want to go back to their room to input data when they can do the same thing right at the table with what Linaway teaches.


    I record every shot that is made on a table when I'm playing and never use them again when I go home. What just transpired at the craps table will not be the same tomorrow! It's wise to use the computer that sits on your shoulder! That way you are using the current information!


    Every day something new comes along why be stuck with something that is out of date?
     
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  17. DeMango, Jul 5, 2017

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    Well all that listen to Linaway should be stinking rich by now. Starting with K-Joe.

    And poor me. They refelt the tables after I color up, they bring in cheap dice from agents of Harley. I have to relearn all motor skills with my arm every day. With all this, the laws of physics get suspended when I toss the dice. Rick, you are so write, why bother arguing with the dice???
     
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  18. superrick, Jul 5, 2017

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    DeMango, what are the dice are doing, if you set for the 6 and you are getting nothing but 9's what happened? Do you try to change what you are rolling and fight the dice?

    Heavy, once put out a video where he had a few guys shooting and it had to be one of the funniest ones that I have ever seen! One of the shooters was making hard 8's and they said they had to fix his problem!

    You know that you take what the table is given you why fight it? You have all of your data at home I have all of my data on the table as the roll is happening!
    I hate the sixes and eights, if you can make those numbers you should be able to make the outside box numbers which pay more!
    But if the 6's and 8's are being rolled and the outside numbers aren't, my chips are on the 6's and 8's! Why fight it, take what the table is given you!
     
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  19. rongarm10, Jul 5, 2017

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    Well at least DeMango didn't have a 3K+ sentence, lol. Just sayin.
     
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  20. KokomoJoe4, Jul 6, 2017

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    Incorrect, there are 3 of each. It is with their many permutations that give unequal distribution of outcomes. The dice tell you this, hence dice speak.

    Linaway disciples? Are there any apostles?
     
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