a couple questions on dice tossing

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  1. random_roller, Jul 5, 2017

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    Hey, if something is working for you, keep doing it. And when you have reached your goals for the session, run over to the cashier, collect your money, and get the hell out. I'm still working on that last part. Actually, all 3 parts (at least in craps). Perhaps I need good ol' Top to assist in dragging me out of the casino while I'm up for the session.

    It's a real shame when a hot roll (finally) hits and a player isn't fully able to take advantage because of a depleted bankroll. And the guy who arrived at the table just in time...better lucky than good. Those 44 roll occurrences don't happen often.
     
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  2. Twelve4s, Jul 5, 2017

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    Top, how much you charge for a tow out of a casino? I see a HUGE $$$$ bankroll builder for you and your two trucks!
     
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  3. tabletop123, Jul 5, 2017

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    Ya just can't leave your money on the table hoping for a "Heater" to develop. Long rolls are rare, No matter who is tossing the dice.
    It can be "Lights out Larry", Gonna toss a "Heater" Harry, or "Catch a Gear" Gary...... Those fu**king Dice ain't loyal to anybody!

    Systematically check your Rack, & when ya find yourself ahead a little bit, or "Down" just a little too much.......time to quit the session.

    Listen...it's a negative expectation game, & ya kinda gotta adopt the "Spoiled Brat" attitude when ya play!
    Meaning: If things ain't going your way.....Fuck it....leave! There's always tomorrow, next week, month, etc. Casinos will be ready, & waiting for ya when ya decide to return!

    Just looking at some of the sad faces during my last two outings, opened up my eyes! The Casinos want ya to jump in head first, have fun, donate your hard earned cash, & say: "Well, I didn't win, but I had a Blast"!

    WRONG! The only thing blasted was your bankroll, & your Ass! Oh......make no mistake...I want action too! However, I want it just like I USED to give it to the Girls.....Quick,,& Hard!

    Don't wanna stand there for hours, Pussy Betting, & enjoying the Action, & High Fiving! I am only concerned with two things when I enter the portals of Hell......How quickly can I exit with SOME loot ( don't need the deed to the Casinos), & where is the Mother fu**king Cashier's Cage!

    Yep, i will accept any amount that I can walk out with. 10-20-30%...doesn't matter,,as long as the win will at the very least "Cover the nut" ( traveling expenses & a little something JUST BECAUSE, I am "The Top")!

    Of course it's always refreshing to win. Ya become all philosophical (can't ya tell lol.)until ya next Nut Clipping! Lol.

    However, i'm very serious about my observations from my last two visits. So many people that just Press, press, press, thinking the seven will never come, being ahead a nice amount into a hand, & never giving themselves the chance to recover their initial investment!

    Sad, sad, sad! Ya know.....just watching how most players lose with such fu**ked up betting habits, & NEVER even CONSIDERING leaving the tables, just makes ya wanna Vomit!

    I"m very proud to be considered "The Flee Master", because so many others get CRUSHED, because ENOUGH is never enough! Gonna try my best to recapture my patented "pee, & flee" style of play!

    Continued success at the tables, everyone.

    See you at The Top!
     
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  4. TDVegas, Jul 5, 2017

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    True
    True. Rarely good to stick around too long.
    Yes they will
    I don't know anyone who enjoys losing.
    words to live by.
    Me too. I have limits on both sides...but I'll walk positive anything. Always another day.
    Yes...I see this a lot as well. Gusto! There is a guy who plays the bubble regularly. Puts in $20...spreads it across. Then just keeps pressing whatever cash comes his way. Last time he had $140 out there. I have no clue what his goal is. He loses....a lot.
    Wonderful. Better than "The Flea Master";)
     
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  5. tabletop123, Jul 5, 2017

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    Oh, & another thing.......Never limit your wins! WATCH ME! Don't make me fu**king laugh! Gonna limit my wins, & Walk right out the fucking door.

    You guys keep reading Grafstein, & his "Never limit your wins, bullshit"!

    As for Old Top........See ya later, Alligator! Enough is enough!
     
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  6. Twelve4s, Jul 5, 2017

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  7. TDVegas, Jul 5, 2017

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    You're not limiting your win...you're just not going under what you set. If you continue to win past your win limit...hell, keep going. You can always re-evaluate a limit beyond what you set. You should never fall back under your original win limit.

    If your win limit was $200 and you hit it....and your play continues to win $250. Hell, re-set it at $225 if you like. Just don't go below whatever you set.
     
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  8. lone irish digit, Jul 5, 2017

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    I stopped off at Murphy's about 3 months ago and asked a box person if anyone got their nuts clipped recently and he said only one dude who they called the streak. Could that be the "flea master"?


     
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  9. tabletop123, Jul 5, 2017

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    Well, that's kinda what I meant to convey! You guys are always better explainers than Old Top......but I TRY! Boy, oh, boy, do I try! Lol
     
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  10. von duck, Jul 5, 2017

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    Table toooooooop, start making arrangements to get off the leash, about Sundayish. Gather up all of your assets, plus something pawnable, just in case. Throw caution to the wind, what's the worst that can happennnnn? The streak will continue, maybe foreverrrrrr. This is what you've been waiting forrrrrrr, it can't faillllllll. Your ship has come innnnnnnnnn.
     
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  11. tabletop123, Jul 5, 2017

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    Heh, Digit, I know that you always tease us about Linaway's stuff ( is it safe, yet? lol), but on my latest Casino visits, Linaway's material has been Astoundingly accurate.

    Ya get that Group 1 Outcome, &.....BAM.....SEVEN OUT! Cannot count the times that as soon as I saw a Group 1 outcome, pulled my bet/s, & saved me money!

    It's really weird that using the Material is so friggin accurate. I ALMOST want to call it an advantage! It's all a gamble, but it seems to work more times than not!

    Don't know why Kokomo is not having great success with the material! I'm quite certain that Koko reads those dice a WHOLE LOT quicker than Old Top!

    I ALMOST had to tell the "Stick Man": "Stop snatching the dice up so fucking quickly"!

    He just looked at me in a quizzical manner, & said: " Were calling the numbers out on Every single roll"! Lol.

    CLASSIC....lol
    Nope, Ducky! No more throwing caution to the wind. Gonna continue to play it safe, use Linaway's material, & NOT give a Rat's Ass whether I toss a 5 roll hand, or a 50 roll hand.

    Admittedly so, I TRY to influence the dice roll, & a lot of times so-called ( myself included) Di's get so wrapped up in the Big Dick SRR's & On Axis bullshit, that we completely ignore the task at hand.....to win money!

    NOT to brag, or self-medicate on HOW GREAT I tossed!

    Gonna continue to do what I do best......And surprisingly it's NOT tossing the dice. Fleeing to the Cage is my biggest Asset, & i'm gonna continue to do it.

    Everytime that I deviate from my patented style of play, I end up with clipped Nuts!

    However, old Ducky Boy.....ya must have some kind of Extra Sensory Perception, because Old Top was kinda, sorta thinking about a little jab, & stab play on Sunday! Lol.

    Damn.......... life is good when you're winning, & sitting At the Top!
     
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  12. von duck, Jul 5, 2017

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    My receptors say, any time after midnight sat. Would be the time to gooooo! Be sure to think up a good lie to tell the wife, truth and gambling, do not mix, too much pressure. Play your gut, and don't be over confident, it is better, if you are just a little bit apprehensive, when you gooooooo.
     
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  13. lone irish digit, Jul 5, 2017

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    Possibly, Koko is too damn smart and his brain gets in his way. From my perspective, anyone who isn't setting the dice and has a consistent toss or quirk than all you get is random results with of course more Group 2 being observed. Thus for them one toss is completely independent from the next whether the last shot was safe or not. If it works for you keep on using it till it don't.
     
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  14. KokomoJoe4, Jul 5, 2017

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    From the point of view of shooting, I had several very good rolls out of a specific V6 set, thinking "man this couldn't get much better."

    The next time in, out of the same set, had rolls of 2,3 and 5.

    It takes no effort and minimal brains to keep working at this, but I am inclined to believe it is what it is and you get what you get.

    tt123, concerning the outcomes, I look to see several safe results in a row before going out on a place bet or two. Don't see this very often, usually more like good, bad, good, good, bad. Just haven't been confident in general with picking the numbers myself, and seldom win with them.

    For this reason, I want to see 3 or 4 goods in a row before placing, but seldom do. We expect them to show in a 2 to 1 ratio with any shooter, I'm looking to see 3 to 1 before going out.
     
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  15. TDVegas, Jul 5, 2017

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    One of those days on the bubble....

    Everything went right.

    Perfect timing....
    Caught a 40+ shooter with come bets combined with 6-8 places. This guy was rockin the push the button.

    I was a little concerned because as I arrived the previous shooter was right in the middle of a roll....and it was another long one. Usually when you miss those rolls, it's tough to find another right away. In this case, he followed up.

    The bubble craps machine glows red with LED lights once a shooter has exceeded 20 rolls. This baby was glowin for a while. If you ever walk up to the Aruze bubble craps and its glowing red...you have a hot shooter. You can jump in if you want. I generally wait. Superstition, I guess.

    All players I believe except one were on do side....and he was hedging anyway.

    Nothing more today than timing. Got myself a chocolate milkshake on the way out.
    Hot as hell here today.

    Going for a swim.
     
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  16. Twelve4s, Jul 5, 2017

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    Are there more than 2 groups and which ones are safe? And how do you know or is that classified information?

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  17. lone irish digit, Jul 5, 2017

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    I guess it was Linaway who came up with the Group 1 and Group 2 classification which is a far better way to classify the axial arrangement than any other I have seen. For the six standard sets there are two Group 1 and four Group 2 axial arrangements. If you end up in a Group 1 set you have twice as many sevens on the non-axle faces as you do with a Group 2 final result. So a Group 2 result are considered safer than a Group 1 result from a Linaway disciple's perspective. But as much as the dice are spinning, rolling, bumping, etc for most shooters everything is random and one result is independent of the next random toss (which may be even a different set or toss by the dice tosser). So from my perspective this stuff is esoteric and nice to know but not practical. However, if one has any extra money he might contact Linaway since he could use the business anyways, plus it shouldn't hurt your craps play and might save you money if you take your money down after a few of the so-called unsafe results. But Tabletop uses it and you know how much his head hurts....
     
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  18. Twelve4s, Jul 5, 2017

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    This stuff is interesting and if it works for Top and yourself, more power to you. But if you're shooting SO or even SR1, how the fuck can you read all the dice faces from 6-12 feet away in less than a couple seconds? Especially if your eyeballs ain't what they used to be?
     
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  19. lone irish digit, Jul 5, 2017

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    You just need to read four faces than you know what the other two are. Just have to make a guess which are the facing numbers and which are the axials on some outcomes, others are more straight forward. I don't use it since it hurts my head.
     
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    No my head hurts. First you say you are using it at the casino, and now you say you don't use it? Is this part of the denial oath? Is this material for pm only? I respect classified information.
     
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