I've seen a lot of hardways discussions and wanted to offer a theory. First, as a math guy, I acknowledge the high vig working against me, but when you are looking for some action, we sometimes have to turn a blind eye for a little bit. As with any good system, you want to find a 'hot' table But what I mean is if you get a general feel that shooters are holding the dice longer than usual at a table, you may want to try this. Let's say I put out $5 per hardway. What I do know is that I will only lose $20 total to the 7-out, as it will only occur once on the shooter's roll. So as I see it, if I can hit 1 hardway I will in theory, be ahead. (I covered my $20 plus either $15 or $25). In doing so, as each hardway is hit, I will be getting paid at a 9-1 price for a 4-1 bet (for 6 and 8) and 7-1 for a 2-1 bet (for 4 and 10). These are the chances of losing the hardway to a 'soft' number. Again, I know the true odds working against me and he could easily 7 out when I put my money down. But the math while he is shooting does intrigue me.