18 X 18 Power Press 6 & 8

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  1. tabletop123, Mar 22, 2018

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    How about in the Casinos? Any success with it?

    One thing that I like.... is choosing a Dice Set other than the All Sevens for the Come Out roll, & stick with that same dice set. Forget about tossing a Seven on the Come out roll.

    I Like the betting to begin on toss number 3. That's two free tosses with my dice set to let me know how my dice set is performing!

    Best way to play the game for a so-called Dice Influencer.

    Of course you could Seven Out on toss number three, but gauging the first two tosses WITHOUT betting much...gives me a little comfort.

    I'd assume that you know....betting across, & regressing after two rolls is not necessarily beating probability. Sure, ya might have chips in your racks but ya need to toss in groups of 36 ( avoiding fatigue), & see where ya stand in terms of less sevens versus box numbers tossed.

    If you're betting across, & ....let's say you toss 8 UNWANTED 7's.....depending on what numbers are tossed....you could still be beating probability.

    This is why it is so very important to get those repeaters. Yes....it's darn hard to execute but if you have a propensity for hitting repeaters.....Short hands won't really affect your performance.

    Personally, I don't expect to see those 10 -50 roll hands. All I want to see is 2-3 repeaters & I'm gonna make money.

    Sevens to roll ratio is highly overrated ( in my opinion), UNLESS you're doing a Iron Cross type betting strategy.

    What people fail to acknowledge is that Those Monster hands that are bragged about....contain roughly 16% of "Trash" numbers that ya aren't even being paid on.

    I know I have stated a million times that "Sniping" ain't happening but the VERY BEST shooters are taking a particular dice set/s, & HAMMERING the Primary, & Sister numbers.

    Don't know if it's true or not but Frank Scoblete said that the majority of his hands are under 8 rolls. He also said that MOST of his hands contain at least two 6 & 8's. Doesn't appear to be much but THAT is some pretty strong shooting.

    Nowadays, if you aren't tossing 10-30 roll hands CONSISTENTLY....you're written off as a no tossing, time wasting, piece of shit.
    Those repeaters that you toss aren't even noticed. Its always: "How long did he hold the dice". How many TIMES did he toss the dice.

    Ya know......the Forest for the trees thingy!
     
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  2. DeMango, Mar 22, 2018

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    The greatest words of wisdom written on these boards. You wrote them for me, this wisdom is so far above the so called di's, it can be for no one else except maybe Gargoil. I will be using this wisdom in the future, because my multiple betting schemes are just so-so and I can't seem to keep my money off the chicken feeders.
     
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  3. tabletop123, Mar 22, 2018

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    Well, as you know.....G ain't no slouch! I do believe that I started my journey a couple years before him, ( 2009), but he has surpassed me in the knowledge department.

    I'll bet you $1000 to $10 that breaking off of his own, experimenting & making his own adjustments has put him waaaayyyyy above "the rest"!

    Classes? Who needs a fu**king Class? But yourself a table, & go to work. Learning in the Casinos is too expensive.
     
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  4. DeMango, Mar 23, 2018

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    I have found that learning the individual tables bounce characteristics equally expensive!
     
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  5. Freddyy, Mar 23, 2018

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    If you find an empty table. 10 p/dp 1$ 12.

    But they won’t let you do it for long, just tell em you are testing your luck before you go for the real thing. But removing the stress of losses still won’t be representative of a normal hand. Tho you will see if you can adjust your throw to the table for cheaper.

    Other way is to go to a 5$ table and only bring 100-150$ a session for start. It’ll be a long time before you lose 1k.

    You need more then 1 strategy in your books to win. Just gotta be playing the right one at the right time.

    A good kit would be.

    High bet/regression
    Powerpress/regression
    Steap press&collect.
    Samebet&press when profitX.
    Dark plays.
    Laybets.

    If you can’t master all of them, you will lose a lot. If you can’t use them right, you will lose even more then if you kept the same plan.

    But overall it’s always a gamble, don’t go out there trying to retire from your gains lol, just play as long as you have fun, then get out.
     
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  6. Mssthis1, Mar 23, 2018

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    Top: The target is lit and locked. I'll be arriving Apr 5th late morning.
     
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  7. Dave G Ct, Mar 23, 2018

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    Freddy give me your goto play first on a $5 table then a $10 table. Tables are neutral bounce which you have played on before.
     
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  8. Mssthis1, Mar 23, 2018

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    I would recommend you avoid craps, especially the electronic versions. Perhaps canvassing the old ladies in your neighborhood to see if they have any home bingo games would be more your speed.
     
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  9. Freddyy, Mar 23, 2018

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    Depends on the day. Depends on what trend shows up.

    I have soo many plays. My favorite is press&collect. But somedays you need to take more early collects. Some others you need to spread fast. Sometimes regression is more stable. I don’t even know my go to. It can change in just a few shooter/if I know who’s at the table. But my very best plays...I’m not giving it up on a public board.
     
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  10. twodicebilly, Mar 23, 2018

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    I have keep track of it at some casinos. but not gone on and done it for any period of time.

    I am not sure why except for me to get to a table i want to play on is 1.5 hours so i would have
    half hour play and take me three hours of driving time. The $200 is just not worth it, i could make
    double that just working in my office 3 hours.

    so i either get the guts to play for more or just say to myself that is another stupid idea.

    Two things i can tell that are for sure.....first , i get far less PSO after i throw a couple of shots
    and change sets if i have to, second, i get far far fewer pso with the LJ or my shot than i do with the
    GTC shot.

    tdb
     
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  11. tabletop123, Mar 23, 2018

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    Yep! It all goes back to my initial post. You absolutely MUST determine what each individual die is doing ON EVERY TOSS OF THE DICE before you start the wagering process. Takes roughly 50 rolls, & a replicable toss to make that determination.

    Unfortunately, there WILL be days wherein both dice are not behaving accordingly, or one die does NOT do SOMETHING more consistently than than the other die.

    THOSE are the days wherein you MUST "walk", & come back another day!

    The other problem is executing a toss wherein both dice are easily distinguishable between left/right.

    If your dice are bouncing erratically, criss-crossing over each other, etc ...ya better have a keen eye, because I GUARANTEE you that Those type tosses will be very hard to follow left/right die.

    Pretty much a moot point, because MOST players don't even know HOW the last friggin Seven Out occurred...4/3, 6/1, or 5/2, nor do they give a Rat's Ass!
     
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  12. BuckShot, Mar 23, 2018

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    One can not determine their casino stay according to dice outcomes. Every single visit i've ever made to the casino has it's cold times.... just don't bet during those times.

    I've also seen many new tourists visiting the tables here at the casino and rolling like champions... while the DI's are in aww...
     
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  13. tabletop123, Mar 23, 2018

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    Freddy.....REALLY? Bet a $10 doey-dont with a $1 midnight, execute CONTROLLED toss, & Then say: I just wanna try my LUCK before I begin betting REAL money? Lol.

    Funniest shit that I've ever heard. Ya think they won't know that you're doing MORE than just trying to get lucky...tossing a rehearsed throw?

    I say that if you are winging & flinging them....ya can doey-dont bet until the cows come home.

    NOT SO with a rehearsed toss. It'll be more like: " Sir, either shit or get off of the pot"! "Show me what ya got"!
     
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  14. tabletop123, Mar 23, 2018

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    I will be there on the 6th. Staying at the Shoe. I didn't do the Pool Tournament in Vegas. Wife didn't want to do both Vegas, & Tunica. So.....Tunica it will be.

    I think that you know the story about me traveling alone to the Casinos. After my last disaster....the wifey feels that I might need a little SUPERVISED companionship! Lol
     
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  15. BuckShot, Mar 23, 2018

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    It's awkward but I have to agree with Freddy. I'm also guilty.
    I was in a cold spell at the table and my bank roll went down a bit fast losing more than $200 in the first 15 minutes using my favorite dice set...

    I switched to Freddys idea betting the pass/don't pass and just trying out different sets... it was only for a short term and the dealers didn't mind... I was the only shooter at the table and it can get pretty intense... I managed to find a dice set that changed things for the better...and continued with my normal betting.
     
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    My best play?.....Go home, & come back when things are going MY way!
     
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  17. tabletop123, Mar 23, 2018

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    Billy, you have to decide your REASON for play. Let's face it....some people play craps just for the enjoyment of tossing the dice. ESPECIALLY so-called Di's. Its an EGO thingy. They want to be able to say: " My TOSS is good, & it beat THAT table. Listen...I understand that ya have to test your home practice to see how you dare in the Casinos. No problems there. However, ya have to do it sparingly.

    Others play STRICTLY for the money. No socializing, high fiving, & bullshitting. They just want to get the money, & leave.....as quickly as possible. ( Me)

    Now, I am NOT saying the old "I play for a living", the Casinos are my personal ATM bullshit.

    I am just saying that.....FOR THE LIFE OF ME....why would a guy that has a table at home want to go to Casinos, & play long sessions when your home table SHOULD have taught you better?

    Don't know about all of the "Hot Shots", but playing long sessions on my home table has taught me that the end result usually results in a loss.

    Most don't want to admit it, but it's true. Yep....I know! You beat your table like a drum. A 50% advantage on your home table. Lol. Ya rarely PSO on your home table. Ya toss 20's, 30's, 50's regularly on your home tables! ( speaking in generalities Billy, & not aimed at YOU)

    CUT THE SHIT! Ya keep tossing the dice for long periods of time, & you're gonna go broke.( or lose money) THATS JUST THE WAY IT IS!

    But, but, but....I was trained by the best. But, but, but....I've put in my 10,000 hours, & I'm a Qualified shooter.

    SEE YA AT THE PAWN SHOP!
     
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  18. tabletop123, Mar 23, 2018

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    You have a LOT to learn. I know.....sounds like hog wash at the moment. If you ever start the Dice Influencing journey, the lightbulb will go off...sooner or later!

    Dice Outcomes, & WHAT the dice are doing ( collectively, or individually) are the ONLY things that a Mechanical tosser should be concerned with......Assuming that you have a replicable toss to begin with.

    For those that don't believe in any influence ) even if it's EVER SO SLIGHT)....No problem. I won't try to sway you, & it's a very rational way to think.
     
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  19. Freddyy, Mar 23, 2018

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    If you are on a short table they won’t mind anything. They have the advantage ne way. They love people who think they can beat a game, cuz we keep coming back. That’s where they have the advantage. If you bend the rules a little they might complain...but they won’t kick you out.

    Just do your thing and tell em to fuck off. If they say you won’t be rated...tell em you don’t care and keep your plan. Find something you like and turn your bets on.
     
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    I'm currently working on a gambling product
    I'm working with some top neurologists
    My product will resemble a blue tooth ear piece
    But mine is made specifically for gamblers
    There will be a mini camera installed looking outward
    With built in WiFi the camera can be viewed by anyone with the code on any WiFi device
    When the person sees the gambler stepping up or buying in at any table or slot , the person viewing it can send a powerful electronic jolt causing the wearer somewhat of a migraine
    If the device is removed,disabled,or shut off the viewer will be notified immediately

    I'd be happy to offer one to your wife as long as she documents the results as it will need live field human testing before I can get it licensed
    I'm afraid to jolt someone too heavy where they fall down and black out so a trial testing period is both necessary and required
    The product will work on di and random tosses equslly
     
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