18 X 18 Power Press 6 & 8

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  1. BuckShot, Mar 21, 2018

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    The Loss limit is the $400 bank roll (for Live sessions) $400 is an easy amount to recoup during winning sessions.
     
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  2. BuckShot, Mar 21, 2018

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    UPDATE: Guys, I'm running more than 12 test sessions of this Conservative betting and I'm not showing much in profit... Win:Loss is 4:10 with the last two winning sessions showing less than +$100

    I'm sorry but even though I was losing a few sessions in the 18x18 Power Press to 150, I was showing a better consistency with profits surrounding the $1000 to $1500 mark.

    I'm not even coming close to that... I'm sorry guys, I have to give the Conservative method a thumbs down.
     
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  3. Dave G Ct, Mar 21, 2018

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    Good try
     
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  4. BuckShot, Mar 21, 2018

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    Yeah, the average dropped considerably from starting with the $38 power Press vs. 18x18 aggressive Power press vs. 18x18 conservative.

    *I will give the 18x18 on 6&8 Aggressive Power Press method a thumbs up for showing a consistent play time average of 2 1/2 hrs of play with just a $400 buy in.

    I'm giving up on that Conservative method but if someone wants the wincraps script to test on their own, I can provide it here as an attachment.
     
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  5. BuckShot, Mar 21, 2018

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    Here is 5 more sessions of the 18x18 Power Press 6 & 8 to 150 using a $400 bank roll and 240 rolls per Session. Big difference from Conservative method. One loss session vs. 4 winners.

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  6. twodicebilly, Mar 21, 2018

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    good luck with that, some things you just need to learn on your own.

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  7. BuckShot, Mar 21, 2018

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    OK, I created another Craps script called Route66...

    1) Scripts starts off with $18 place 6 & $18 place 8.
    2) After one win, Drop 3 chips and "press both 6 & 8 to 30 each".
    3) When 6 gets rolled "Drop 1 chip to dealer "Press to 66"
    4) When 8 gets rolled "Drop 1 chip to dealer "Press to 66"

    Same bet taking in a $77 to chip tray after each additional win.
    Restart on seven out.

    Will run many simulations to test the consistency for a 2 1/2 hour session using 240 rolls and a $400 Bank roll.
     
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  8. von duck, Mar 22, 2018

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    I'm gonna bet, your experience in a "real" casino, will be substantially different, than the "simulations". Do give it try though, and do get back with the actual results, we're rooting for you. :)
     
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  9. BuckShot, Mar 22, 2018

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    Honestly they are very similar. However, Wincraps does over exaggerate with the sevens especially after they numbers get loaded up... but it all comes out to a happy average with more roll simulations.

    The live craps tables... do experience unusual rolls such as (Bob, a regular DI shooter rolling 9 x 7's in a row on come out. Also mr. baseball regular I haven't see in a while rolled 11 x 6's in 15 rolls. But then there is a complete round of shooters 10 in total of the 14 spots.. all rolled a point then 7 out shortly after...

    it happens... all in all, like I said before, There is a consistency with the 6 & 8 and power pressing to $150 keeps you playing for quite some time...

    As far as money goes at the live tables... the main strategy that works very very well is the "single number power press $38 to 300... this strategy has made quite a few $1000 sessions, however there is also quite a few times you will lose a $380 bank roll within an hour of play. I've posted quite a few video demos on this method and it is wonderful.


    I also ran a test on the 4/10 $30 power press to 90, power press to $250 in just two wins (as mentioned by another forum member) brings in $750 from each additional win.

    Unfortunately, this is also unstable unless played with a DI shooter rolling 10's
     
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  10. Mssthis1, Mar 22, 2018

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  11. Mssthis1, Mar 22, 2018

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    You may want to change the word unusual to infrequent. Don't confuse what happens in the short term with what will happen in the long term statistically with the dice. You may see 9 sevens in a row twice in a weekend and never see them again in your life but somewhere in the world it happens every day. The less frequently something occurs the larger the sample size needs to be to prove or disprove it.

    Your press move system may work 10 times in a row and then go for years without working again. That's just the way it is because you need a sample size in the millions to prove or disprove it.
     
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  12. twodicebilly, Mar 22, 2018

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    the problem with simulations, test runs or computer programs is that they tend to not work quite
    the same way .

    Based on my data from my table if i would bet as much as i could afford across, get one hit
    and take that win down, it appears i could take a private jet to any place i wanted to play
    and stay in the pent house......Now do you think that would work if I went into any of those
    casinos and did that ?????

    First PSO $21,000 gone, second another $21,000 gone, third another $21,000 gone so your
    are $63,000 in the hole before you hit one number.
    Now my heart tells me TDB you really don't seven out very often, my head tells me ok fine, but
    are you will to stay the course over a losing streak ????

    twodicebilly
     
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  13. Mssthis1, Mar 22, 2018

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    Yep. That's why I harp about betting within your bankroll so much. I haven't shot live craps since Biloxi because the live games here suck but I've been playing bubble craps a lot. Using a 2 hit, regress, press, strategy $96 across base bet the money swings top winning to top losing are almost $10K. I vary my base bets mainly depending on what has happened the previous 1200 rolls.

    I'm currently on a small net losing streak because PSO's or a seven before 2 hits the last 1200 rolls are above average and rolls 20+ are below average. That may change next session or it may be 10 sessions. Once I see a trend reversal in the short hands, I'll start betting more.

    FWIW: Bone tracker says the bubble is influenced dice on the current partial book of 366 rolls. Two previous books were well into obviously random dice on the chi test.
     
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  14. tabletop123, Mar 22, 2018

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    Whether your bankroll can handle the volatility of betting Across or not...... I simply wouldn't do it. The risk versus reward SUCKS! Return of investment is always paramount when wagering money.

    Those PSO's, & PPSO's that you think that you'll infrequently toss will snag ya right in the Ass. I just think that betting three numbers ( Max) is a better play.....if Ya just HAVE TO "LOAD UP"!

    Just my opinion!
     
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    Last outing I'd of had an edge if I'd of put it all on the 9 woco. Chart looks like keys to the vault but the HA is 2.5% on bought nines. On a regular table it would have been about breakeven or maybe even a slight dog if sevens weren't also trending less than normal.

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    It all comes back to one fact , the two tiers
    Enough numbers and betting strategy
     
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    Wow! That nine is off the chain. Running wild like a Mad Dog.
     
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  18. BuckShot, Mar 22, 2018

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    Check out my new post on the Craps ROUTE66 Stratgy... this is the happy medium that brings together the Aggressive style betters vs. the conservative style betters and doesn't break the bank... and the most at risk is 66 chips on each number.

    I will be testing the ROUTE66 tonight at the casino between 5:30 to 10:30pm tonight (March 24th, 2018)
     
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  19. von duck, Mar 22, 2018

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    There is NFW to determine if the dice are random, by charting the throws. The machine could be cherry-picking the numbers, and normalizing, when it's "convenient ". Bone trackers ass. :cool:
     
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    the best I do on my home table is simple.... establish a pass line number...bet
    $160 across... two hits all down back with a single unit on the numbers i
    have already hit or two units if my two hits were the same number....

    When I am $200 ahead..go home...

    I beat my table the vast majority of the time.....

    PSO are going to happen, but most times it is an early roll before i made
    a set adjustment.

    Nothing is perfect, but this is the one system that works well at home.

    tdb
     
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