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Discussion in 'Beginner Zone' started by BuckShot, Mar 15, 2018.
Freddy and myself are talking about DI shooters not random players
Oh Geez!!! Let me tell you a true story that happened just a few days ago.
1) I made a remark to a younger woman, I said "You're not considered a pro shooter till you at least make one point" she was brand spanking new to craps... she rolled at least 9 x 8's along with a few 6's, and a couple outside numbers. this was one of the three good shooters from the other night.
2) There was mr. science guy there shooting from spot 6 precisely lined up his dice with 4's up and 2's facing him all lined up perfectly tight together parallel with the pass line... the guy did some funky turn with his arm, then pinches the dice and tosses them in rainbow fashion... no probs, guy makes a number and makes the point shortly after.... I noticed Mr. Science changed his dice set... and seven'd out after a new point established...
3) Some new guy (Tourist) with his GF rolled the dice for a good 25 minutes making quite a few random numbers followed by seven out he was just flipping the dice set with his thumb no matter what the stick many put in front of him, he would flip both dice with his thumb then grab them and fire them to the back wall...
4) Guy from Mississippi, i mentioned in another post had a dice set he used 1's up with 5's to the right side
just simply throwing the dice all over the back wall... no real structure but both times he had the dice, he rolled approx 35 numbers with tons of 8's
5) Pat, a casino regular uses his DI technique from many years... gets the dice, establishes a point, and bang... seven out. His first session went good with two points made and over 20 numbers thrown.
It happens though... even the DI guys don't last that long... I myself with that new 1's up dice set lasted only less than 10 numbers... my average used to be 20 numbers using the KISS 3/1 dice set (3 & 1 in the middle)
The randys will take your money, a real shooter will shoot box numbers and repeaters.
For your, lost 400$ in an hour... you can lose it in 10-11 shooters on a bad day. So watch out and listen before it hits you.
Don’t go to a casino and think you can win thousands everyday, you will bankrup yourself.
Take it from someone who plays 75+ sessions a year.
4 times a week for us... we don't bet heavy... and we don't go to make 10k in one day.... My wife & I are happy to win 500 in a session. but we don't complain if we lose 400.
Another day at the office... Tuesday "Date Night" with my wife at the casino... Gonna be playing the Strictly 18x18 on 6&8 power press tonight.... 7pm (after dinner) till 11pm will share results shortly after I get home.
Buy in tonight will be $400 (no more/no less)
Strictly 18x18 on 6&8 power press means following the steps with no alterations
1) Start with Place 6 & 8 for 18 each
2) Faithfully Drop 3 chips to the dealer "Press 6 & 8 to 30 each"
3) Drop a 1 chip to the dealer "Make winning number look like 66"
4) Drop 7 chips to dealer "Make winning number look like 150"
Okies... we are back... Last roll of the night didn't go to well so we just left...
On a good note the 6/8 18x 18 held the fort from 7pm-10pm started with 400 Bank roll and still have 420 chips on hand, so all in all it's a good night... Drinks were covered from the wins...
Missed out on additional 3 x 150 presses... where seven out after pressed.
All in all got paid out on quite a few 6/8's
Will try again on Thursday.
what software are you using?
I play less now than when i was younger, i play 40 days a years away from home on craps
trips and twice a week at home.
30 years ago we got a craps player wanted tto be casino host, started with regular people
now only takes high rollers...He has gone through all the big betting craps player he
recruits except 2 and they both lose an average of $50,000 per year on the few trips.
He started with using the field to press the 6 & 8. up two $1200 on the 6 & 8 eight and
$200 in the field. Hit a field press the 6 & 8. Then it was the complete iron cross, then
the high low yo. that did work so he went to playing Barc for $8000 a hand.
Nothing ever worked for him or any guy that he recruited for the casino trips, because no one
never valued the ability to throw the dice....30 years a disaster for his players, several
million for him from their loses.
Today he has a few players, two long terms guys that enjoy all the free trips and private
jets but pay $40,000- $60,000 for the fun of being a big shot, has two others that have
enough money to bet large and hang in their until they hit a good roll, and then he has another
that can lose $30,000-$40,000 in a night and think nothing of it....
He has no winners...
Gimics never work,betting on every player on the table does not work, and assuming
every session will give you that one long roll to get you back to even does not work.
It is a tough game and when ever you forget that it will cost you dearly
I know all of that. I had a nice run at the bigginning of last year but since then it kicked me in the butt. Thx for the remembrance lol.
Even with a good throw I have a hard time adjusting my strategy at the right time. And I lose overtime bit by bit.
Last year I was playing scared, taking regressions even on good hands. This year I want one more hit and get killed. Doesn’t take much in this game to switch the other way.
One thing that I had to finally accept.....is that your mechanics will vary from day to day. You simply have to find out ( which can be rather time consuming) if you have a die that is doing SOMETHING more consistently than the other die.
Now, it doesn't have to be exactly what you'd like, but as long as it's consistent.....it's exploitable.
Either BOTH dice are pretty much doing what you want them to do ( about as Rare as spotting the Loch Ness Monster), or one die is flipping over at a consistent rate ( laterally) to constitute an advantage.
The one die flipping over thingy is most common, but the trick is gathering enough data to determine which die is the culprit, before beginning the serious wagering.
Takes about 50 rolls to get a fair "reading" on what your dice are doing for THAT particular day.( If your mechanics are pretty consistent)
Without ONE of the aforementioned examples......might as well stay home.
Yeah....50 rolls is a pretty small sample, but.....ya gotta start SOMEWHERE!
I've just created the 18x18 on 6&8 Conservative method: In testing right now as we speak.
1) Start with 18 each on 6 & 8
2) If win, drop 3 chips to dealer "Press 6 & 8 to 30 each"
3) Next win on the 6 Tells dealer "Same bet" locking in 35 to chip tray
4) Next win on the 8 Tells dealer "Same bet" locking in 35 to chip tray
5) Next win on the 6, drop 1 chip and Tell dealer "Press to 66"
6) Next win on the 8, drop 1 chip and Tell dealer "Press to 66"
Same bet for each additional win.
Start over when seven out.
Script is running for full 250 rolls (2 1/2 hr Sessions)
*Testing right now for consistency
1st Session LOSS -520.00 ($120 over my bank roll)
2nd Session LOSS -$334 from my starting $400 bank roll
3rd session LOSS
Session 4 -$83.00 loss, so far WIN:LOSS = 0:4
Session 5 in progress...
It's true though my wins vs. losses are all over the place... it's too early still to give an accurate consistency.
I'm basing the 50 rolls as compared to 30 minute sessions at the craps table.
that is kinda where I am at and i am not 100% i am going to be able to fix it.
I have always been a conservative better, but the first 6-7 years i worked with one
of the schools i thought no matter what i was going to beat the table, I believed that
nonsense that when you saw a 3/4 4/3 that was a good 7 and you were keeping
your dice on axis....
Even though i had some real nice hands now and then particular after my second class
over-all i took a bath..we are talking a couple of walleye boats.
then two years ago when i think i finally figured some stuff out and my shot and set
adjustments give me a reasonable chance at the table. I find i cant bet large enough
to take advantage of the rolls i do get.
Money wise if your making good money it does not really hurt you, what really hurts is the
mental approach to the game....
You cant play scared and you have to bet enough when you have it going to cover the
times it is not...i need to make a few adjustments between the ears if i am going to take
any type of an advantage from all that i have learned.
Very true. I asked my wife at the craps table when she dropped the 7 chips to power press to 150.
She didn't feel comfortable with seeing 6 green chips resting on the 8 awaiting a win.
You're right though, If you're not 100% confident in your betting, it's best to stay clear of casino gambling in general and just play slot machines.
Session 5 of the Conservative 18x18 on 6&8 was a success winning +$595.00
bringing the win:loss to 1:4
Session 6 is a winner $422 profit
bringing the win:loss to 2:4
I think before we get deep into a losing session why not put on the breaks with a loss limit. Keeps you out of a death BR spiral.If I am throwing I will cut my session short if taking on water.
Regroup and collect oneself and either go home or start one and I mean 1 more session
so far it's taking a turn for the better... Sessions 5 & 6 together made more than $1000 in profits bring WIN:LOSS ratio to 2:4
Who knows maybe my wife will be right on this conservative approach... This method was mentioned by one of the members on here... I know it's a little early, but we may have a winning strategy for the Conservative gamblers.
I will have my wife test this at the live table Thursday May 22 > 7pm - 10pm