18 X 18 Power Press 6 & 8

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  1. BuckShot, Mar 17, 2018

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    OK, I finished my final simulation for the evening and came up +1200 after 100 rolls... I'm heading out to the casino shortly... Have fun guys. I'll check back in at Midnight EST time.

    I got into a bit of trouble taking pictures in the casino, but I'll see what I can do tonight.
     
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  2. BuckShot, Mar 17, 2018

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    Grand success with the 18x18 power press during my session at the casino. It's 1:33am and I just couldn't walk away from a hot shooter at a hot table. I started 7:30pm pretty slow going up and down $150 in chips... but then just after midnight, the tables came alive with 3 college aged shooters that practically emptied the Greens and Reds at the table.... all in all, I missed out on some 150 power presses due to limited bank roll at the beginning. with more than 20 x 8's being rolled between the three hot shooters... we now have more than enough bank rolls for the next 10 days.

    Tonight's betting was a bit different, where I would start with 18 place 8 and wife would start with 18 place 6. After one win, we drop 3 chips to the dealer and press both 6 & 8 to 30 each. At this point, my wife always made same bet on the six after each win & I would drop 1 chips to 66 after a win followed by Dropping 7 chips and press to 150. I do admit I missed quite a few 150 presses but still managed to take home a good overall win. Gonna do it again in 6 hrs after breakfast sunday afternoon.
     
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  3. DeMango, Mar 17, 2018

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    Which just proves the point, that any system works with a good shooter.
     
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  4. BuckShot, Mar 17, 2018

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    True... because the regular shooters including myself shooting managed to stretch the bank roll but nothing worth talking about. Even though we started with 200 each, we never dropped below 75 in all those hours of play I would have loved to finally say... "I built up the 6/8 to 150 each and continuously turned the craps table into my personal ATM... Unfortunately that never happened.

    Ontario dealer from the other forum had mentions something about some scammer going around casinos... scamming many gamblers...
     
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  5. James Hall, Mar 17, 2018

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    Edward , horn , TDV , Wonko , here it is Any system works with a good shooter
    Take that to the bank / vault
     
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  6. BuckShot, Mar 17, 2018

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    I wasn't really focusing on the good shooter part.. I was actually testing for consistency in this 18 x 18 style of betting... It looks good in WinCraps, but I still need to play more sessions at the real table.

    On another note I do notice quite often during the come out roll, the 6 or the 8 would show, but unfortunately, it sucks because we miss out on those bets. Many of us already know that "Workin on come out's never have a positive outcome"
     
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  7. AzDice, Mar 17, 2018

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    BuckShot,
    Have you ever run a sim using a regression and then a progression.
    Getting at least even or positive and then a progression.
    I never play the dark side. When tables are ice cold I use a six, eight regression.
    $12 six and eight. If one hits I come down to table minimum on both numbers. Depending on what numbers are appearing more. I'll place that number with my second hit
     
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  8. BuckShot, Mar 17, 2018

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    I used to bet 64 across, then after a hit I would go down to 32 across... but then that was quite a while ago where I even altered many different sims, but most came out negative after the 10k roll test.

    When running simulations, I find if you are betting more than one number the sim just goes to crap...

    If you can progress a number to surpass the next 5 losses, it's pretty easy to get a sim to work with you.

    There are quite a few scripts available if you like to test regression/progression strategies.
     
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  9. DeMango, Mar 18, 2018

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    Do you write your own scripts? Or just what is available? I am looking for a program that incorporates different odds, more 7's on come out, less 7's on point cycle. Can Win Craps Pro be programmed to do this?
     
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  10. BuckShot, Mar 18, 2018

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    I simply customize a script to the betting scheme im after. You can also write many from scratch. The pro version allows multiple users to test different scripts simultaneously

    Just open the autobet and tell it what you want to do with sevens
     
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    The question still remains can I have multiple odds of a number occurring within the same roll.
     
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  12. BuckShot, Mar 18, 2018

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    yes you can but you have to tell the software for each number.

    Can you give me a step by step example?
     
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  13. BuckShot, Mar 19, 2018

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    LESSON LEARNED: Follow the steps and don't try to reinvent the wheel.

    Sunday afternoon 3:30pm I took my wife to the casino, I went to pickup some comp tickets to the 7pm show.
    Wife went to the Craps table and made the biggest mistake right from the start.

    Let me tell you what happened:
    1) She bought in to the table for $1000 (The buy in for the 18x18 strategy is only $400)
    You do not need more than $400 when playing the 18x18 6 & 8 strategy.
    2) She started off perfectly with the Place 6, Place 8 for 18 chips each...
    3) She judged each shooter and called same bet on many of the rolls (DON'T DO THIS)
    (She was supposed to DROP 3 CHIPS when a win occurs)
    4) When she did drop 3 chips pressing both 6 & 8 to 30 each, She would call same bet and tray the 35 chip win. (She was supposed to DROP 1 CHIP to the the dealer and "Make her winning number look like 66)
    5) When she did go to 66, she would DROP 7 Chips to the dealer, color up 150 chips, take her bet down re-betting 18 chips on the number.

    It's great that She was completely independent and in control of her own actions... but

    1) She should have easily doubled her bank roll within the first Two hour of play. (On 7 occasions)
    2) She should have followed the simple steps as described in this strategy.

    I followed up with her and told her not to be frightened or intimidated by those larger bets. Your risking 18 + 18 + 3 + 1 + 7 chips (47 chips total) Never let your larger bets fear you.

    Yesterdays session between 3:30 to 6:45 resulted i a $375.00 Loss (3 hrs of play)

    Session 6 > 18x18 6&8
     
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  14. Freddyy, Mar 19, 2018

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    Well there’s more then 1 way to Rome buddy. I followed my plan and got +200 in 30 mins of play and left for dinner. Almost got the firebet on my second throw.

    You do know that starting at 12$ you win 14, add 4$ you are at 30. Don’t need to press the sister. And you save 12$ on bad rolls.
     
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    I can t quite see it but looks like a bit over $1000. My system in this sequence of numbers would profit just over $4100.
     
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  16. BuckShot, Mar 19, 2018

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    It's also a great move to do what you say betting 12 each on 6 / 8 then drop 4 to 30...
     
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    I agree with Freddy on taking money off the table then getting aggressive.
     
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  18. BuckShot, Mar 19, 2018

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    I ran a simulation on that 12 x 12 on 6/8 strategy

    1) Place 12 chips on 6 & 8
    2) After a win on each number, simply drop 4 chips to the dealer and press to 30
    3) Same bet after each win.

    At this point we are giving the casino 2 numbers and 3 or 4 presses before making a profit

    Risking 12 + 12 + 4 + 4 = $32 to win $35 risking 4 times to let the casino get your money.

    This simulation will not hold water... It is very nice betting but not good enough to show a consistent profit as compared to the 18 x 18 strategy. Even so the 18x18 strategy I thought is also pushing the consistency. The actual 38 power press strategy is most consistent.over the others.
     
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  19. BuckShot, Mar 19, 2018

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    My wife thinks that way also but the point that is being missed is the Power press is what balances the casino seven outs to create the consistency in win/loss

    This is why it's possible to buy in at a live table with 400 chips and play for a few hour sessions at a time consistently.

    There are many times where I would lose 400 in just under an hour using other betting styles such as the 12 x 12... in this case you need to have a control over your bank roll along with a win/loss ratio.

    Even the 38 power press buy in with 760 chips an dividing 10 sessions gives a betting structure with win/loss and can end in as little as 30 minutes. (But at least there is an opportunity for pocketing chips and always giving you that opportunity when leaving the table with chips in pocket.
     
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  20. BuckShot, Mar 19, 2018

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    A main rule of thumb is:

    When you have a betting strategy in mind whatever it may be... STICK to it!

    Don't shy away and don't let the chips fear you into betting smaller amounts... The whole idea is to get in the live table with your strategy, make your money and get out.

    Chicken'ing out on betting along with not betting in confidence only get's you in rough waters.
     
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