12=30:1 Anybody ever try this strategy??

Discussion in 'Prop Bets & Side Bets' started by CityLights, Sep 10, 2012.

  1. The Midnight Skulker, Jan 15, 2019

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    I will concede that I was being a bit -- OK, maybe totally -- anal with my response, but you made a demonstrably false statement. You are a newcomer to the forum, hence we have only your self-proclaimed expertise on which to base a judgement of your qualifications for advocating a certain method of play. I felt constrained to challenge your (so to speak) credentials.

    As to the first half of your reason I suggest it only hints at what I consider to be the feature of Craps that sets it apart from every other game in the casino. In all of those other games the player is betting on the outcome of a single trial. (OK, not strictly true; some houses, mostly in Europe AFAIK, offer en prison in Roulette.) In Craps the player is betting on the outcome of a sequence of trials (rolls), which introduces the concept of contract bets.

    There is of course another feature of Craps, at least the live version of the game, that sets it apart from all other games: a player generates the result, not a machine or a casino employee. In theory this gives the player an opportunity to exert some influence over his/her fate.
     
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  2. ChequeMate8, Jan 15, 2019

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    Mssthis1,
    Funny thing is, I never bet Red progression before, or since that forgettable day(I've Never placed a Hop Bet), but, I suppose my main lesson or point here is that out of early frustration and corresponding bankroll losses, I was taken out of my normal game flow, and my brain was saying "F that 7“ if it's going to rain down like that, then I'm going to make that bitch pay me back now“... That was an isolated time I was completely out of form, and I paid dearly for it. I'm trying to recall (or not) that was north of 30 rolls, no Red, when the table was being slaughtered by them. Astronomical streaks DO happen, however “rare" the MATH says they are, and I'm usually on the "Right“ side of the mathematics!
    As I'm thinking here, so you stick to a martingale on your buy ins/base wagers from consecutive sessions, but Not on the table action in a current session??
     
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  3. ChequeMate8, Jan 15, 2019

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    TMS,
    I'm completely understanding where you're coming from on this, it's good by me! I'm here to SHARE my experiences with whomever engages in constructive dialog with me. I'm more willing to learn anything that will sharpen my game and improve my table session outcomes, than to posture myself on this forum as the ultimate authority or expert on this game we know as Craps.
    I'm certainly looking forward to interesting conversations for many years to come!
     
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  4. DeMango, Jan 15, 2019

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    I noticed that with “The DeMango”, long term winner, when you know the proper set and avoid the seven set at the same time. Tough lesson.
     
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  5. SevenOut, Jan 22, 2019

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    It is best to wager on combinations of the ONE and the SIX and not expecting a One-One or a Six-Six to meet your expectations.

    Many would offer the advice that an outcome of a 2 or a 12 are a One Roll wager. And that is true.

    It is also true that each shot is unique and a One Roll Wager loss, win or neutral event is why outcomes are paid for their ratio of outcomes to the Seven, less the House Advantage which is a tax on your participation in a game of chance paying overhead.

    A Seven Out is no different of a One Roll event as a 12 would be, but more expensive to the Pass Line player.

    When anyone says your idea of chasing the 12 for a 30 to 1 payout is dumb... look at their wagers on the table and compare your wager and possible reward, to theirs and their possibly loss with a Seven Out.

    Craps is much like sewing a custom suit. Once you figure out how many pockets and buttons are needed, ADDing to the cost... maybe it is best that at the end of the Session, you compare your loss/win to someone who claims to be a better Craps Player and you play on Greed and Ignorance.

    The saying 'Losing Their Shirt' can go either way. You can put your entire shirt on the Craps Table, at one time, or wager a fraction for a larger, although not the best wager, payout of either 35 to 1 dice outcome.

    If you do not understand the logic of this post, you obviously know little about Craps. Knowing nothing about Craps is a better player's advantage, than knowing everything and losing. Numbers are numbers and they are created one of six on each die.

    The rest is for a mathematician, accountant or a computer to debate how a poorly executed wager was taking winnings at a Craps Table, defying logic and 'honest dice' outcomes.
     
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  6. dustedone, Jan 25, 2019

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    Very well written post...

    One thing set aside; look past the idea of "number are numbers" and let it sink into your head w/ prop bets that one is looking for possible out-comes.
     
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  7. SevenOut, Feb 4, 2019

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    When I first played at a Craps Table... I did not understand the payouts were figured as a ratio to the Seven.

    There were lots of numbers. I probably did figure out that 6 x 6 was 36, but did not understand any further beyond that. After I became curious, the Craps game became more complicated. Little did I realize that ODDS had a relationship directly to the SEVEN.

    I bought a copy of John Scarne's New Complete Guide to Gambling... and I was hooked.

    A bystander watching would find Craps as I did the first time and not realize what is going on with all these wagers, different amounts and table 'chatter'.

    Craps is not for many. It is demanding of your attention. You had better know how to wager, so not to waste money on competing wagers and a long list of other options.

    Dice Setting is so far down... MY list... that it does not register. When I see a winning table, it is often a Dice Chucker having a good day. Like, myself.
     
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  8. tabletop123, Feb 4, 2019

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    Just wait until ya see James Hall toss dem bones. $42 run up into $5,000....Regularly.

    Vault Assaults, & playing Craps when he needs money. The sweet part is that he never has to play a $15, or $25 table.

    Yep....all he needs is $42 , & his winning toss. Yep....we are all jealous that James can do what we only dream of doing.

    Guys like me are losers. We flip-flip. Can't win. Don't practice. Won't commit, & aren't properly trained.

    We simply show up at the Casinos, KNOWING that we are destined to lose. The Insider...doom, & gloom group.

    I can't seem to make up my mind......Should I invest this $1,000 & commit to 6 lessons from " Your Highness", or should I just continue to bleed money to the Casinos, & Chase losses?

    Hmmmm.......I think I'll choose the " LATTER". Lol
     
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  9. James Hall, Feb 4, 2019

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    It is a sight to behold , one you would never forget.
    One statement I get a lot is
    "I have never seen anything like that in my life
    I should have been on that hard 6".
    Why do you fail to mention that I sometimes play
    simply because I want to??
    Exactly , it's not what you buy in for , what is important is how
    you play and what you have at the end of the game.
    I could start with $5 and make money on the craps table.
     
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  10. James Hall, Feb 4, 2019

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    Hell as I have stated on several occasions I can start with $5
    and win.
    That seems a bit harsh , over the top.
    For many these are the major problems.
    You have said that many times , you refer to it as a negative expectation game
    and seem to indicate that to go in with any other thought is futile.
     
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  11. James Hall, Feb 4, 2019

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    Go into a casino with your mind made up , go in with determination ,
    g in determined even focused on winning , you will get better results.
    Where did that $1,000 figure come from?? , "$1,000" ???
    There is an old , old adage that says
    "If you don't make a decision , the decision will be made for you"
    You refuse to decide so bleeding money was , is and always will
    be the result.
    Again you have chosen / decided nothing , just continue doing
    what you have always done and you will always get
    what you have always gotten.
    You don't have to think , you don't have to learn
    you just have to keep coming up with ways to get the money to play.
     
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  12. Ronald Prince, Feb 4, 2019

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    Losing money is a habit. Just like smoking. they make pills and gum for quitting smoking. The other medicine for gambling I have witnessed was not worth it, a bullet in the mouth of a frustrated gambler.
    What you do is known only by you and can only come from your heart. Learn to win, don't learn to continue losing. Take a giant step for yourself....See Jim, I also have decided to see and seek his light.
    Ronald Prince
     
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  13. tabletop123, Feb 4, 2019

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    Naw....I think I'll just continue to go to the Casinos & lose money. I enjoy losing.

    Most importantly, I enjoy the satisfaction of knowing that " Certain" people will believe ANYTHING that is posted over the internet.

    I win every day......you'll believe it.
    I lose everyday....you'll believe it.
    I'm posting from a Casino....you'll believe it.

    I just hit a six point fire bet....you'll believe it.

    I just lost every nickel that was in my pocket, the mortgage money, the Grandkids College tuition....you'll believe THAT even more.

    There's a SUCKER surfing the internet every minute!!!
     
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  14. tabletop123, Feb 4, 2019

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    There are two kinds of people in the Casinos....Predator & Prey.

    Which are YOU?
     
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  15. James Hall, Feb 4, 2019

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    The predator is more likely to survive.
     
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    This is Limaway Pre-Post Reply:

    Me too. One statement I get a lot from the casino chicks is
    I have never seen anything like that in my life
    I should have been on that hard 11"
     
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  17. James Hall, Feb 4, 2019

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    [5][6]
    o_O
     
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  18. yacraps, Feb 5, 2019

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    Why cant casino chicks understand an easy 3 four times is 12 :rolleyes:
     
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    But, what if you re a DI w/ a TIGHT axis rotation taking 4 and 3 out of play and advantage betting the other combos left in play.

    This guy would be my new best friend...
     
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  20. The Comeback Kid, Feb 6, 2019

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    Remember when George had a har...oppsi

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