The previous Posts by kaysirtap and dustedone are those of true professionals. Heed their advice which is correct and I suspect they are more advanced than most. Myself included. One Roll Table Wagers are impulse wagers. Most often losers, than winners. Make one if you 'FEEL' a possibility. A Hop Wager is also an impulse wager on a one roll. These are all intended to make money for the Table's Bank. Making these wagers and winning are pure 'random outcomes'. Losing is not random. It is predictable, as already explained earlier in this Thread. DI/DC's might concentrate on these 30 and 15 to 1 wagers. This would get the attention of everyone at the table... Casino Staff, as well. Reread kaysirtap's and dustedone's posts. You do not have to agree, but this '12 Strategy' is something the rest of you should avoid. For those who still want to experience the 'high' when a 12 is a wager and it rolls. Toss out an occasional chip. If you play these kinds of wagers at random, it is more entertainment and a win might cover part of you losses from repeating this poor wager.