12=30:1 Anybody ever try this strategy??

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  1. SevenOut, Feb 4, 2018

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    The previous Posts by kaysirtap and dustedone are those of true professionals. Heed their advice which is correct and I suspect they are more advanced than most. Myself included.

    One Roll Table Wagers are impulse wagers. Most often losers, than winners. Make one if you 'FEEL' a possibility.

    A Hop Wager is also an impulse wager on a one roll. These are all intended to make money for the Table's Bank.

    Making these wagers and winning are pure 'random outcomes'. Losing is not random. It is predictable, as already explained earlier in this Thread. DI/DC's might concentrate on these 30 and 15 to 1 wagers. This would get the attention of everyone at the table... Casino Staff, as well.

    Reread kaysirtap's and dustedone's posts. You do not have to agree, but this '12 Strategy' is something the rest of you should avoid.

    For those who still want to experience the 'high' when a 12 is a wager and it rolls. Toss out an occasional chip. If you play these kinds of wagers at random, it is more entertainment and a win might cover part of you losses from repeating this poor wager.
     
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  2. von duck, Feb 4, 2018

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    Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the "Dewy/Don't is a bad system, any time, any where" and OAP likes it. We know, we know. :cool:
     
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  3. SevenOut, Feb 4, 2018

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    I have always said the Doey/Don't is not a good System.

    At best the D/D will lose less to win very little... if everything works out to perfection. If you have lots of time and want to lose slower than everyone else at a Craps Table... this is a very good System if that is your game.

    The D/D is not to be considered a Prop or Side Bet. It is a System of playing both sides of the Craps Table, which is about as dumb as one can imagine.

    Using a System, preferring either the Pass or Don't Pass, is better for Random Shooters or DI/DC's.
     
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  4. Onautopilot, Feb 4, 2018

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    Interesting....I like some things a little, and dislike some things a little....I just like some things, and dislike some things....sometimes I like some things a lot, and just plain old dislike other things a lot.....but there are many things I am just plain neutral on, don't really care one way or the other.

    I find it interesting that you find it interesting that I like certain things.....I'm not sure why, and not sure if I like that to a specific degree or not.....but I reckon it will just be one of those things that I am neutral on, neither like or dislike. :)
     
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  5. von duck, Feb 5, 2018

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    Was more than a like, it was the same identical incorrect quote, by both of you, and there was another. The other went something like, the bubble is the purest form of random outcomes, etc etc. exact same quote by both guys again, also incorrect. Indicates to me the presents, of an effort to mislead.the question why, remains unresolved. This guy S.O. Was gone for about 6 months, came back with very little fanfare, something else I found very unusual. I do not believe any "viable" player would adopt, such an obviously annoying handle either. Something seems amiss. :cool:
     
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  6. basicstrategy777, Feb 5, 2018

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    The doey-don't was not designed for the Right player.

    777
     
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  7. von duck, Feb 5, 2018

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    That is absolutely correct. It however does have strategic application, which means, it is not a bad system any time any where. I've posted, how to use this system, however ludicrous it appears, to save up to 90% or so on lay bet vig.while also softening the effect of variance. Properly used, the Dewy/Don't, can be a very effective weapon. If you don't believe me, just ask Aruze. :)
     
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  8. DeMango, Feb 6, 2018

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    Started thinking about this. $5 game. On the don't you lose 1/2 a bet every 36 rolls -.70 Don't pass bet without pass line hedge -1.40ev. Well it doesn't suck, just not a big deal, seven cents. And there may be a box who does not rate you on offsetting bets. That would suck, playing for no comps, despite $10 on the lines.
     
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  9. Edward-ky, Feb 6, 2018

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    Actually watched a guy play the doey-dont in cherokee. And that is all he bet. After he lost a couple of times on a 12 on the comeout finally told him it was impossible to win with that strategy. Dont understand people that make bets on craps that they dont understand what they are.
     
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  10. Edward-ky, Feb 6, 2018

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    I see a guy do this but he hops the hard 8 and not the 12. Every roll and he has a system for upping his bets. Only bet he makes at the table. Seen him get to table max and bet it at table max quite a few times. He has always hit it couldnt tell you if he ended up negative or positive. He should hook up with jimmy the man who snipes hard 8 left and right.
     
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  11. ChumpChange, Nov 26, 2018

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    I've got a WinCraps game going on and I'm checking the roll frequencies after 3882 rolls with 101 12's that have hit and 30 of them are over the 50 roll limit, and one of them tops out at 175 rolls between 12's. The scene on the snake eyes is not much different.
    There's 30 times the 12's hit in 12 rolls (but only twice back to back), and hit 40 times in 20 rolls, and hit 51 times in 30 rolls, and hit 60 times in 36 rolls. So maybe there is a way to break better than even on a 30 roll betting pattern.
     
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  12. Mssthis1, Nov 27, 2018

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    Here's a larger sample for you to look at.

    dice 001.JPG
     
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  13. James Hall, Nov 27, 2018

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    I read this entire thread , I have to wonder
    what happened to these members , most of
    them are gone.
     
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  14. James Hall, Nov 27, 2018

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    very good point
     
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  15. James Hall, Nov 27, 2018

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    Good question.
    Answer: YES
    Every time the dice roll and a 12 doesn't show ,
    moves you one roll closer to a 12.
     
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    Where are they now , there were some great posts , now gone.
    WHY
     
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    Love this one , it makes all the sense in the world.
     
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  19. von duck, Nov 27, 2018

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    Oh. I wouldn't say that. Sir. Perhaps they were never hear to begin with. Check it out, half a dozen, gone for months or years, show back up in the same 24 hour period. Quite a coincidence, don't you think? :cool:
     
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  20. von duck, Nov 27, 2018

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    Strange "bedfellows" I must say. But then, maybe not. :rolleyes:
     
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