# 11-12 progression at crapless table

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1. DeMango, Nov 20, 2019

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Some time ago on another board, I dreamed a bucket list dream, hitting a \$500 twelve.
Recently looking over results at a southern crapless table, I found a set producing excessive 11-12’s. So here we go.
\$25 12, cost \$26. Hit it and press to \$150, we are minus \$7.
Hit and go to \$500. We are now at plus \$518 with a \$500 twelve. If it hits \$3500 and down, with over 4K profit. Not too shabby. Eleven progression on next break. FYI 12 pays 6 to 1, 11 pays 3-1, vig upfront, 5%.

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2. DeMango, Nov 20, 2019

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Okay, now to get “rich” on the eleven. Chances of success on any hit are twice that of the twelve so it pays half as much. So the math tells you. But occasionally the eleven in a short run shows up more than the seven. So the goal is a \$1500 win. Here we go again.
\$50 11, cost \$52. Hit it press to \$150, we are minus \$9.
Hit and go to \$500. We are now at plus \$66 with a \$500 eleven. If it hits \$2000 and down, total profit \$2066. Half of above but more likely to happen. I also used a four step press here starting at the \$25 initial bet. After the third hit \$527 profit and the fourth \$2527 total profit. (25-100-350-500)

Hope I remember all this at the next battle. Set will be 5/1 top, 1/5 facing me, 3’s kiss.

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strategies always work better on paper.

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4. KokomoJoe4, Nov 21, 2019

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Vig up front doesn't sound like you DeMango. At least the payments are fair.

I have always liked the outside numbers, but at crapless, those numbers will be hard enough to make one time, let alone 3 or 4 times.

The good thing about your strategy is that you are not going to the poorhouse with losers, since your \$25 or \$50 wager is all that comes out of the rail with a loser.

I didn't bother to check to see if with winners you are pulling some of the profit in as you progress, but assume that you are.

This is very aggressive for a guy who often says that regression avoids depression. These plays don't involve much regression.

The horizontal sixes set you are using is one of the Wizard's "optimals", so it does not surprise me that you see "good" results with it.

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5. von duck, Nov 21, 2019

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How much have you "pocketed" net, using these wonderful strategies?

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6. Mssthis1, Nov 21, 2019

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Hope you nail it.

Have you done any good on the crapless table at IP? It's been over a year since I've been there but last trip to Biloxi that table was my profit eater.

Since they have a bubble now also, I'd like to stay there if we fit in a Biloxi trip this winter.

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7. lone irish digit, Nov 21, 2019

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This is Eagleyes (Bohemian)

Mr HOO you are going to lose biggest time if you follow such strategy unless you understand why opposite sides of dices add up to seven and know that most of time crapless tables bring out the frosted red dices which are biased to the 3s and 4s to screw those big betters on the crappy numbers.

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8. DeMango, Nov 21, 2019

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Thanks guys. Since I don’t do weekends, I have never in 15 years or so seen crapless open at Hard Rock or IP! Beau opens between 11 am and 5 pm, daily, usually by 1 pm. Harrah’s is open on weekends only, mid afternoon. An exception is a high roller whose clout gets it open when he is in town.

The whole premise here is analytics, my studies of dice results from my many in casino results. The proper placement of one or both six dies can produce a higher expected total. This cuts the playing field in half and I can, say put out a 8-9 bet, ignore downtown, with a regression, and move on from there.

This same analysis, of a Beau crapless file, tweaked my interest in the above plays. Same wishful thinking as a certain unnamed individual who espoused a \$5 Hard 8 to pay \$5000. But I like my chances better if the bounce characteristics hold up and the dream set responds.

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9. DeMango, Nov 21, 2019

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To answer K-Joe, I would bet the 8-9 with a 50% regression after one hit. If successful expand to 6, 10 and quit expansion, crapless can get expensive. Also casinos have figured out they need to take vig upfront, it costs them dearly if they don’t and a horn shooter shows up!

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10. KokomoJoe4, Nov 21, 2019

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Says the guy who needs no progression to get to 11 or 12.

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11. DeMango, Nov 21, 2019

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That’s his Johnson size

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I'm going to mention this again
I will always give shot to anyone who tries to convince me that they have an advantage on a table because of mechanical skill
And while I still do not believe it I watch guys like demango and Gargoil putting their money where their mouths are
So I'll continue to give them
Shit but never disrespect them since they bet what they claim

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13. von duck, Nov 21, 2019

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No, not DeMango. Not even close. My best guess, is Mssthis1.

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14. yacraps, Nov 21, 2019

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Duck you haven't been right since the war of 1812..first it was JcnPa Random Roller debunked that theory,then it was KnightAttack and again Roller debunked that one now its Missthis...Dang would you do me a favor and please tell me who I am cause I'm all sorts of @#\$ked up

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15. von duck, Nov 22, 2019

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Its not the original DeMango. DeMango took a long break, and when he came back, he wasn't himself anymore. May not have been himself prior to that, there are others also. Many made-up personas.

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16. basicstrategy777, Nov 22, 2019

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You should never come down all the way after a winner, no matter what.....IMHO

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17. eagleeye2, Nov 22, 2019

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WOW, Verification that LID is bouncing off the wall, once again!!!

However, watch those end payments on the Crapless Tables, as they often do not pay fairly!!!

eagleeye2

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18. Dave G Ct, Nov 29, 2019

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We donot have crapless tables where I play but would bet the 1-1 since I do get them in little nano streaks but streaks that can be exploited!

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19. Dave G Ct, Nov 29, 2019

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A better progression than a hardway one.A soft hit will not derail this bet.Only the 7.

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