‘Cheated’ gamblers are turning the tables on casinos

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  1. Craps Poopshoot, Mar 1, 2016

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    Thanks for this article. I remember when Affleck was in the news for getting kicked out of a strip casino while winning at BJ. I wonder if Affleck hired this lawyer. I heard this lawyer on a vegas podcast, and he must be very busy. Tells you something about some of the people running casinos. It will be intersting to see if one of these cases ever makes it to the supreme court. It's always pissed me off that a casino that would never cut you off at a table when your losing your life savings, house, business. But as soon as you go on a heater, "You're Outta Here!"
     
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  3. Titleistguy, Apr 4, 2016

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    I struggle here.

    I think card counting is an awesome skill and talent. Yes I think people should be able to do it freely.

    That said, casinos are private businesses and there is no "right" to gamble. They can refuse to book your action for reasons that are their own prerogative.

    It sucks but imagine if you owned a business... Wouldn't you want the same right... To refuse service at your discretion?
     
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  4. Craps Poopshoot, Apr 4, 2016

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    That depends on what State the casino is in. For example, casinos in Atlantic City can't kick out a card counter because they where counting or refuse a bet from anyone that is allowed in the casino. But, then you have 8-deck shoes and 6:5 blackjack to discourage the card counters. However, if a casino really wants someone out, there are ways to do that so that the person gets the message that they are not wanted there.

    Las Vegas casinos make the claim that they are a private club and can exclude who they want, but the State does not always agree with the casinos and has handed down some hefty fines and penalties against the casinos for wrongful exclusion and violation of civil rights of players. Casinos can trespass any person who they don't want on their properties, but it does not always stick. This site here has a lot of good info on Nevada trespassing laws. A casino that attempts to trespass a person for the crime of 'winning' really opens themselves up to be sued for civil rights violations and defamation. Many people have successfully sued casinos who wrongful used the trespassing laws to avoid having to pay a winner, or to get rid of a player who was just getting lucky.

    Here is the law:
    NRS 207.200 defines trespass in Nevada as the following:
    1. Going onto another persons' property with the intent to annoy the owner or occupant or to commit a crime there, or
    2. Willfully going on or remaining on another person's property after having been warned by the owner or occupant not to trespass.

    First, the owner has have 'reasonable cause' to invoke a trespassing notice or kicking out a person. Nevada courts already have said that winning is not a reasonable cause for the casinos to kick out a person. Card counting is not a crime, the Nevada courts have already spoken on this, so a casino that kicks out a card counter will most likely be sued and lose badly. Most casinos now simply terminate card counters players club accounts and inform them with a letter that any action they book will not be honored, but they are welcome to come in to the casino visit the gift shops or eat at the restaurants.



    Many LV casinos now want to see an players club card or ID if you buy in with a grand or more. Homeland security also gives them a bit of teeth with this because of anti-money laundering and anti-terror domestic laws, and this is aggregate too. If you play long enough in any casino where it looks like you are spreading the money around, they will come asking for your ID or players club card, and eventually they will insist on it.
     
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    Assume write up. I stand corrected I always assumed they could deny action per their own discretion.

    Thanks for the info.
     
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  6. Craps Poopshoot, Apr 4, 2016

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    This is a MUST WATCH
     
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  7. rudeboy99, Apr 9, 2016

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    Well, while card counting isn't illegal in Nevada, management does have the right to withhold permission for a player to play any game whatsoever. Now if casino management does something illegal while backing off an alleged counter, that's another matter entirely. When I wore a suit and flipped to a counters action, I'd politely inform them that they were welcome to play any game in the joint EXCEPT single deck BJ...no need to get shitty, but I know some bosses do...
     
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